Ha! We reached max comment depth so I’m replying here. Feel free to answer or don’t or just tell me to end this I think lemmy wants to send us a message.
If I had a dime for every time a politician blamed colonialism for the consequences of their corruption I’d have enough money to buy them. Which, btw, would be illegal. As in: It’s illegal for me, under domestic law, to bribe people abroad that’s why the Chinese are making inroads in Africa we’re not matching their bribes, any more. Russia, at least, is pretty much out of the game now after they overextended, they’re at least a magnitude worse than the Chinese in approach.
Or, differently put: Maybe be a bit more specific when you say “global south” or “global north”. We’re currently defending Ukraine against imperial aggression from the north, you might’ve heard of that.
What drives our economies, btw, what makes us so rich, is labour productivity, industry with high degrees of automation, uncoupling value-add from labour investment. Which is why it’s so fucked to see a country like South Africa fall to the consequences of corruption, to wit, more blackouts than electricity production. No, it wasn’t evil England who made the ANC bleed Escom dry. Those are domestic problems requiring domestic solutions.
I’ll reply as best I can, but really, I don’t think it makes any sense to continue. This convo moved very far from the original roots being that the 3 arrows symbol is anti-Socialist, and I don’t think either of us has had our minds changed in any way, really. If yours was, you haven’t indicated it at least.
In this comment, you make a bunch of unsupported claims and use terms in ways that indicate you aren’t really familiar with them at all and are just responding to what I said based on what the terms sound like. A quick example is calling Russia the “Global North,” which is geographically correct but from the geopolitical definition is very wrong. The “Global North” refers to the United States, Western Europe, Australia, Japan, etc. These are the more developed Capitalist countries that make the bulk of their income off of Imperialism, which you also use in a manner that is entirely different from what I have been using.
Imperialism isn’t a military intervention, for Marxists. Imperialism is sort of like an international Capitalism, where wealthier countries rely on slave-like labor internationally in order to grossly underpay. Consider this, why is most of the world’s production in countries in Africa, Latin America, and particularly in China and southeast Asia? Because wages are kept low and overexploited. The ruling classes of colonized countries make deals with foreign Imperialists in order to pocket the vast majority of the money sent, while their citizenry is kept destitute. This is the concept of “unequal exchange.”
Labor productivity isn’t what drives European economies. China has more developed automation these days, as a necessity for being essentially the world’s factory. What drives European economies is the concept of generational wealth at a country level. If you have, say, 1 million euros invested, and hand it down in a century, it would grow to much greater heights, yes? This is also true for countries, if an abstract example. What truly rules the US and Western Europe is financial Capital, not industrial. The Global South produces, and the Global North consumes.
Your foreign policy is indistinguishable from Thatcher and Reagan, and yet you claim to be a Leftist. You really need to read more books like the ones I linked if you want to keep yourself honest, you blaming the colonized and Imperialized is like the trust fund kid telling the poor immigrant family to “pick themselves up by their bootstraps.”
Ha! We reached max comment depth so I’m replying here. Feel free to answer or don’t or just tell me to end this I think lemmy wants to send us a message.
If I had a dime for every time a politician blamed colonialism for the consequences of their corruption I’d have enough money to buy them. Which, btw, would be illegal. As in: It’s illegal for me, under domestic law, to bribe people abroad that’s why the Chinese are making inroads in Africa we’re not matching their bribes, any more. Russia, at least, is pretty much out of the game now after they overextended, they’re at least a magnitude worse than the Chinese in approach.
Or, differently put: Maybe be a bit more specific when you say “global south” or “global north”. We’re currently defending Ukraine against imperial aggression from the north, you might’ve heard of that.
What drives our economies, btw, what makes us so rich, is labour productivity, industry with high degrees of automation, uncoupling value-add from labour investment. Which is why it’s so fucked to see a country like South Africa fall to the consequences of corruption, to wit, more blackouts than electricity production. No, it wasn’t evil England who made the ANC bleed Escom dry. Those are domestic problems requiring domestic solutions.
I’ll reply as best I can, but really, I don’t think it makes any sense to continue. This convo moved very far from the original roots being that the 3 arrows symbol is anti-Socialist, and I don’t think either of us has had our minds changed in any way, really. If yours was, you haven’t indicated it at least.
In this comment, you make a bunch of unsupported claims and use terms in ways that indicate you aren’t really familiar with them at all and are just responding to what I said based on what the terms sound like. A quick example is calling Russia the “Global North,” which is geographically correct but from the geopolitical definition is very wrong. The “Global North” refers to the United States, Western Europe, Australia, Japan, etc. These are the more developed Capitalist countries that make the bulk of their income off of Imperialism, which you also use in a manner that is entirely different from what I have been using.
Imperialism isn’t a military intervention, for Marxists. Imperialism is sort of like an international Capitalism, where wealthier countries rely on slave-like labor internationally in order to grossly underpay. Consider this, why is most of the world’s production in countries in Africa, Latin America, and particularly in China and southeast Asia? Because wages are kept low and overexploited. The ruling classes of colonized countries make deals with foreign Imperialists in order to pocket the vast majority of the money sent, while their citizenry is kept destitute. This is the concept of “unequal exchange.”
Labor productivity isn’t what drives European economies. China has more developed automation these days, as a necessity for being essentially the world’s factory. What drives European economies is the concept of generational wealth at a country level. If you have, say, 1 million euros invested, and hand it down in a century, it would grow to much greater heights, yes? This is also true for countries, if an abstract example. What truly rules the US and Western Europe is financial Capital, not industrial. The Global South produces, and the Global North consumes.
Your foreign policy is indistinguishable from Thatcher and Reagan, and yet you claim to be a Leftist. You really need to read more books like the ones I linked if you want to keep yourself honest, you blaming the colonized and Imperialized is like the trust fund kid telling the poor immigrant family to “pick themselves up by their bootstraps.”