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Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.com to Fedigrow@lemm.eeEnglish · 2 months ago

Lemmy Needs to Fix Its Community Separation Problem

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Lemmy Needs to Fix Its Community Separation Problem

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Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.com to Fedigrow@lemm.eeEnglish · 2 months ago
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For the unaware, is a alternative to platforms such as Reddit and Tildes. I've been using Lemmy as one of my main social platforms for the past 6 months...
  • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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    If they are similar, why not consolidate?

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      Wouldn’t that go against decentralization?

      • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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        Decentralization is being able to access the same content from different instances.

        Duplicating communities is the opposite: now people can’t see the same content, they have to follow all the similar communities

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          they have to follow all the similar communities

          See, this compulsion needs to be killed off. Because no, they absolutely do not have to.

          • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksM
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            If a user wants to see all the activity on a given topic, they very much do have to.

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        No, it would not. In proposal 3, communities would still choose whether or not to follow each other, just like instances choose whether or not to federate with one another.

    • 👍Maximum Derek👍@discuss.tchncs.de
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      Better to not have to start over 100% if the main community is on a server that randomly disappears forever or turns sour and gets defederated.

      • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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        There is no community backup for those ones, they seem to be doing fine:

        • !europe@feddit.org
        • !fediverse@lemmy.world
        • !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        • !stardewvalley@lemm.ee
        • !dach@feddit.org
        • !unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
        • !france@jlai.lu

        Instance shutting down is indeed a valid risk, but it shouldn’t be handled at the community level

        • 👍Maximum Derek👍@discuss.tchncs.de
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          I’m glad you’ve been lucky enough to not lose any of your favorite communities. The server (tchncs.de) my user is currently on is my 3rd Lemmy provider to date. The other two just evaporated and took the communities I modded for with them. Thankfully the one I cared about already had a dupe - which is still going strong.

          Part of the point of a meta community system (that could serve to consolidate and solve your problem) is that then all communities would be divorced from their hosts. Then (as an example), if the UK government pulled an Apple with feddit.uk and feddit suddenly shuttered to avoid it, those communities would/could be grafted on to another server, intact.

          • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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            I’m glad you’ve been lucky enough to not lose any of your favorite communities.

            I’ve lost !moviesandtv@lemmy.film when the instance shut down. I still advocate for one community.

            Should lemm.ee go down, I would recreate the community elsewhere and post on !communitypromo@lemmy.ca

            I’ve rebuilt !moviesandtv@lemm.ee , now abandoned.

            I’ve built !movies@lemm.ee. I can do it a fourth time.

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          !europe@feddit.org and !dach@feddit.org was formerly on the now closed feddit.de I think. It took me sometime to find them again…

          Edit: I think a better solution is for us to custom group similar communities.

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      Because each instance and community had it’s own rules. With custom feeds user can choose with communities he want to consolidate and separate them again if he want

      • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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        What are the rules differences between !movies@lemmy.world and !movies@lemm.ee ?

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          !movies@lemmy.world allows shitposts/memes. It’s a big deal to some people like me

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            !movies@lemm.ee does too: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/19486392

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              Ok my mistake but that is just one example. They may exists some two similar community with different rules. I constantly read people opinions on the fediverse selling point was about it being censorship resistant because you can switch to another instance

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                similar community with different rules.

                In those cases, the communities should not consolidate, and would not “follow each other” under Proposal 3.

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                  So the solution may only reduce the duplications but not fix it completely. A lot of communities are already dead with no active admins

                  • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksM
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                    no active admins

                    Admins or mods?

                    If a community has no active mods, you can usually request it from the admins. If an instance has no active admins, it will probably shut down soon.

              • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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                I constantly read people opinions on the fediverse selling point was about it being censorship resistant because you can switch to another instance

                It is, but that’s an emergency measure, not a day to day basis

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      Because problems could arise by relying on a single community. Proposal 3 retains the duplicate communities while eliminating the problems that duplicate communities currrently cause.

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