All the hate is that if the DNC hadn’t forced an unpopular candidate in 2016 maybe we wouldn’t be where we are now. Disliking Trump and HRC isn’t a binary choice.
Thanks. I wonder though. The DNC has chosen a woman twice now. Sad if true but it is probably lot harder for a woman to win the general election. Hillary could not do it, and Kamala could not do it against frankly very flawed candidate.
This is a common take and maybe it has merit, but I’m not convinced.
Hillary had decades of propaganda to compete with, a general attitude is “it’s my turn” (political dynasties are bad) and made some major gaffes.
Kamala was chosen without any voter input at all, was not popular as a primary candidate in 2020, ran on being “the top cop” in an environment where only the right likes cops, and lurched right to compete for the Republican base, completely betraying the base that voted for Biden. I was personally sick to my stomach listening to her praise Dick Cheney and parade around with Liz Cheney. (I voted for her anyway because what choice did I have). Harris was a weak Democrat candidate to begin with AND the campaign basically did everything wrong.
Anyway, it’s possible that the US electorate won’t elect a woman for president out of sexism but I personally don’t think that’s what has happened because I don’t think a woman that also happens to be a good candidate that ran a good campaign has gotten past primaries.
I suspect that basically a women has to be a lot better candidate say 10% or something better because she is going to loose a certain number of voters that would otherwise vote the ticket. These are not even all men that will not vote for a woman.
I understand why a certain genre of white male might vote for Trump for example but it mystifies me how a woman or a person of color would.
It’s hard for you to understand because you’re more knowledgeable. A lot of people see Trump saying he’s going to make groceries cheaper and even though he’s completely full of shit at least he was acknowledging working class problems where the dems were not
I talked with a Trump voter. They thought inflation was high. I said no, it is under 3% which is normal. They thought it was like 6%. They even looked it up and agreed. Then I asked them if they were better of now then 4 years go. They said yes. After all that I am sure they still voted for Trump.
As far as numeric price, everyone should know that prices are sticky. They rarely drop but inflation can be controlled to the 2 to 3 percent range and they were by the summer of 2024.
I agree with this about hearing people. Dems for some reason are not good at making people feel seen and heard. The other is making a personal and emotional connection which is roughly similar.
There are piece of shit Democrat voters who won’t vote for any women.
But the 2 women candidates that the DNC has put their weight behind were massively unpopular compared to many other well-known Democrats who are women.
So it becomes hard to actually suss out which is the bigger factor in their losses.
On one side you have people like my dad, whose conclusion is that we’re all still too sexist… so we need to just stop running women, so that we don’t lose.
And on the other side you have people like me, who think that kind of cynical politicking is exactly what lost us 2016 and 2024, and a popular, inspiring, progressive, female candidate is exactly what we need to counter the fashies.
I actually do feel bad for the very real sexism that Hillary has obviously encountered in her career. Everything else aside, that is (by definition) never deserved or justified. But she is very legitimately a huge warhawk, a close personal friend and advocate for at least one major war criminal, thoroughly corrupt, a huge pusher of cutthroat capitalism for workers, anti-M4A, and just an all-around condescending asshole when being candid (everyone forgets her being caught joking about young people being basement-dwelling losers at a private fundraiser).
All the hate is that if the DNC hadn’t forced an unpopular candidate in 2016 maybe we wouldn’t be where we are now. Disliking Trump and HRC isn’t a binary choice.
Thanks. I wonder though. The DNC has chosen a woman twice now. Sad if true but it is probably lot harder for a woman to win the general election. Hillary could not do it, and Kamala could not do it against frankly very flawed candidate.
This is a common take and maybe it has merit, but I’m not convinced.
Hillary had decades of propaganda to compete with, a general attitude is “it’s my turn” (political dynasties are bad) and made some major gaffes.
Kamala was chosen without any voter input at all, was not popular as a primary candidate in 2020, ran on being “the top cop” in an environment where only the right likes cops, and lurched right to compete for the Republican base, completely betraying the base that voted for Biden. I was personally sick to my stomach listening to her praise Dick Cheney and parade around with Liz Cheney. (I voted for her anyway because what choice did I have). Harris was a weak Democrat candidate to begin with AND the campaign basically did everything wrong.
Anyway, it’s possible that the US electorate won’t elect a woman for president out of sexism but I personally don’t think that’s what has happened because I don’t think a woman that also happens to be a good candidate that ran a good campaign has gotten past primaries.
I suspect that basically a women has to be a lot better candidate say 10% or something better because she is going to loose a certain number of voters that would otherwise vote the ticket. These are not even all men that will not vote for a woman.
I understand why a certain genre of white male might vote for Trump for example but it mystifies me how a woman or a person of color would.
It’s hard for you to understand because you’re more knowledgeable. A lot of people see Trump saying he’s going to make groceries cheaper and even though he’s completely full of shit at least he was acknowledging working class problems where the dems were not
I talked with a Trump voter. They thought inflation was high. I said no, it is under 3% which is normal. They thought it was like 6%. They even looked it up and agreed. Then I asked them if they were better of now then 4 years go. They said yes. After all that I am sure they still voted for Trump.
As far as numeric price, everyone should know that prices are sticky. They rarely drop but inflation can be controlled to the 2 to 3 percent range and they were by the summer of 2024.
I agree with this about hearing people. Dems for some reason are not good at making people feel seen and heard. The other is making a personal and emotional connection which is roughly similar.
There are piece of shit Democrat voters who won’t vote for any women.
But the 2 women candidates that the DNC has put their weight behind were massively unpopular compared to many other well-known Democrats who are women.
So it becomes hard to actually suss out which is the bigger factor in their losses.
On one side you have people like my dad, whose conclusion is that we’re all still too sexist… so we need to just stop running women, so that we don’t lose.
And on the other side you have people like me, who think that kind of cynical politicking is exactly what lost us 2016 and 2024, and a popular, inspiring, progressive, female candidate is exactly what we need to counter the fashies.
I actually do feel bad for the very real sexism that Hillary has obviously encountered in her career. Everything else aside, that is (by definition) never deserved or justified. But she is very legitimately a huge warhawk, a close personal friend and advocate for at least one major war criminal, thoroughly corrupt, a huge pusher of cutthroat capitalism for workers, anti-M4A, and just an all-around condescending asshole when being candid (everyone forgets her being caught joking about young people being basement-dwelling losers at a private fundraiser).