• FredFromWyoming@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Okay, that’s not how tariffs work, a tariff is just a tax on a foreign good that american companies have to pay when they bring that good into the country.

    Let’s say that a vacuum cleaner costs 100 dollars, a 25% tariff is a 25% tax that the company that brings that vacuum cleaner into the country has to pay. That company still wants to make a profit, so they raise the price by 25 dollars.

    It’s american companies that pay tariffs, and that extra cost gets passed on to the consumer. The reasoning behind it is that as foreign goods become more expensive consumers will want to buy more american made products. (This is a huge oversimplification)

    So yes it does hurt american consumers, and it will make stuff more expensive. Most actual experts say that these tariffs make no sense economically.

    However, Trump wants the tariffs because they look good politically, and he’s willing to make things more expensive if it means people will vote for him.

    TLDR: Tariffs will make stuff more expensive, but they’re popular.

  • MyPornViewingAccount@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Youre got the right conclusion, wrong start.

    Tariffs are taxes paid by the company doing the importing, not the country.

    If my company buys shirts from Canada, its not the canadians that pay that tax, its my company. And you can bet your ass im raising my prices.

  • immutable@lemm.ee
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    1 month ago

    Tariffs suck for the country implementing the tariff. But before I tell you why they suck, let me tell you the way they are supposed to help.

    Here’s the way tariffs are supposed to work according to people that like tariffs (spoiler alert, this thing I’m about to describe is a fantasy and I’ll explain why).

    Let’s say people in the US can make widgets for $10 and sell them for $12 and have a viable business. But mean old foreign country can make widgets for $5 and sell them for $7 and have a viable business. The foreign country sells the people of the US widgets for $7, which is great if you live in the US and want to buy a widget but sucks if you live in the US and want to make a widget.

    Tariffs are supposed to protect local businesses by making foreign goods less competitive. Let’s say we pass a law putting a $10 tariff on foreign widgets. I used to import widgets from foreign country and pay the manufacturer $5 per widget and sell them to Americans for $7. Now when I import the widget from the foreign country I still pay the manufacturer $5 per widget but now I have to pay the US government a tariff of $10 per widget. Each imported widget now costs me $15 and so I have to sell them for $17 to make a profit. This now means that American made widgets are competitive again, the locally made $12 widget is a great deal compared to the $17 imported one. Great if you are a US widget maker and shitty if you are a US widget buyer.

    Now you might notice the people in the US buying widgets, even in the best fantasy scenario, end up getting dicked over. The theory goes that widget making jobs are good though and if we do that enough then everyone will have to pay more for goods but we will have lots of jobs making stuff that pay ok.

    Now here’s the part that really, really sucks. Let’s say you are a US widget maker and now you know that your foreign competition can’t make a widget for less than $17. You could sell your widgets for $12 and have a viable business or you could sell them for $16.99 and have a super profitable business. I’ll just gesture broadly at the sea of corporate greed we find ourselves floating in and let you decide which is more likely.

    Tariffs induce even local manufacturers to raise prices because it hurts competition. It’s basically a massive transfer of wealth from local consumers to local producers by cutting out the foreign producers and the competitive pressure they exert on the market. This is why basically every economist said “do this and kill the economy”

    So why do people want tariffs? Well the promise for your average voter is that the tariffs are going to bring back good solid blue collar jobs. You can go work in a factory and pump out widgets and get a nice middle class paycheck. It’s a nice sales pitch and a lot of people would really want that to be true. I suspect though that the manufacturers will automate most of this work and pocket the profits, again, gestures broadly at the late stage capitalism hellscape all around us.

    • CerealKiller01@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      That’s not how tariffs are suppose to work.

      You impose a tariff that will allow the local industry to compete with imports. Not blow them out of the water.

      The $10 you gave is objectively wrong. If we know the cost of making a widget in-country, we can easily calculate the correct tariff. In your example, it’s about 5.01$ (making a local widget just a bit cheaper than an imported one, but not too high to incentivize a raising prices).

      In practice, the issue is that usually local manufacturers will claim it costs them $15 to make a widget so they can get the $10 tariff. This is an issue in countries with high historic tariffs, and the local industry claims lowering tariffs will take them out of business, or (to a somewhat lesser degree) where there’s very little local industry, and entrepreneurs claim they need the price to be $15 to make it economical for them to build factories. That’s why, ideally, before imposing tariffs, the government should do an economical study of the local industry to figure out how much manufacturing actually costs them.

      That said, my bet is that Trump will impose high tariffs on industries with local operations owned by him and his cronies.

    • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works
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      1 month ago

      there’s one layer missing, which is that the US widget makers make their widgets from ingredients and components that don’t exist in the US, if you put a tarrif on everything, you can’t make a $12 US widget any more because widget juice now costs twice as much

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        1 month ago

        Excellent point and kudos to you for knowing that widgets are juiced based.

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      1 month ago

      Well under that logic why bother with any business expenses ?

      Why bother with labour laws, or income tax, or work insurance, or workers compo, or environmental laws ?

      Because they are all costs on business. And you can bet the foreign manufacturer doesn’t comply with anything like the US regulations.