• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    The shooting wasn’t merely about the freedom of satire. Not really. Let’s complicate the story.

    The Kouachi brothers were Algerian and you can’t ignore the history of French colonialism in Algeria as the antecedent to this attack. This isn’t just about secularism and blasphemy, that’s only the surface. It’s about racism and colonialism and imperialism. Don’t think of this only as religious fanatics angry because infidels insulted the Prophet Mohammad, think of this as an oppressed racial group lashing out at a racist society and it being channeled through Islam. There’s a deeper tension here than just the religious surface.

    Now, as for my opinion?

    Racist satire should be illegal and that racists should be put into reeducation camps to be rehabilitated.

    Also! Adventurism is bad and people should get organized into a Party, not do vigilante attacks on racists.

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      The Kouachi brothers were Algerian

      They were both French, born in Paris. Their parents were Algerian.

      You’re not saying “but where are they really from” are you?..

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        And why were their parents in France and not Algeria? Why did they have to leave their homes to raise their children in France?

        Because of French colonialism in Algeria! Because their country was underdeveloped and used as a source of cheap labor and resources and subjected to the horrors of a military occupation by a colonial power! You can’t just isolate immigration in a vacuum without analyzing the impacts of imperialism and colonialism on migration.

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          The brothers went to Syria to train and attempt to fight in Iraq against the Americans. They stated their motivation was the abuse carried out at Abu Ghraib by the Americans.

          Then they trained in Yemen

          They were eventually assoiated with al-Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula

          They expressed a desire to kill Jews, Chérif Kouachi specifically stating that he wanted to firebomb Jews

          Targetting Jews is what their accomplice, Amedy Coulibaly, actually did attacking a Jewish supermarket

          Kouachi stated his motivation was “avenging the prophet Muhammad” and retaliating against the “killing women and children in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan”

          Jews, America, a media company. Not the French state. They have never cited Algeria as their motivation. You really shouldn’t be erasing their identity and narrative and substituting your own. That’s quite colonial of you…

          sources:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercacher_kosher_supermarket_siege

          https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/13/world/kouachi-brothers-radicalization/index.html

          https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/from-orphans-to-terrorists-journey-of-the-kouachi-brothers-1.114610

          https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/former-teacher-of-kouachi-brothers-says-they-were-not-intelligent-enough-to-resist-extremism-9973318.html

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            I didn’t say Algeria was the motivation, I said it was the antecedent. French colonialism is the reason their parents had to leave their homes and the reason that these men were French in the first place. It’s not like this is ancient history.

            Now as for hatred for Jews and America, all that too ties back to imperialism and neocolonialism. Their hatred for Jews is obviously tied to the fact that there’s a Jewish-supremacist ethnostate in the middle east (that France supports) and which touts itself as representative of all Jews. Sadly, this results in blowback onto Jewish people who are not Israeli.

            But they’re still French so still pay their taxes to France which sends weapons to Israel. It’s only very recently that France decided to stop sending weapons to Israel, but when these attacks happened France was fully complicit in Israeli settler-colonialism.

            And most notably, France is a key American ally. America creates blowback that falls onto its allies.

            Blowback is complicated, but it’s undeniably the root cause. They even said so! My point: we have to analyze all of the context surrounding the attack. “French” Algeria, the War on Terror, Israeli settler-colonialism, etc etc it’s all connected.

            You are the one determined to erase their motivations by just making it about cartoons. It’s not.

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      Could you provide a source describing how the attack was related to colonialism rather than blasphemy against the prophet of Islam?
      What makes you think Charlie’s intentions are racism rather than mocking extremists?

      Edit: added second question.

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        https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/14/laffaire-charlie-hebdo-and-western-colonialism/

        These men were fighting with Western-backed rebels in Syria to overthrow Assad, which is where they learned to kill.

        And it’s important to note their Algerian heritage because France occupied Algeria as recently as 1962 when it gained independence from France. Their parents didn’t immigrate from Algeria to France in a vacuum.

        This was blowback.

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          Do you think they fought in Syria to promote freedom and democracy or to promote an Islamist system?
          How does killing cartoonists, who are notably against conservatives, helps with decolonization? They should hit some far right journal that denies colonization crimes instead.

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          Yeah. What if we don’t take people’s right to bodily autonomy for indirectly harmful speech, or as I interpret you, beliefs they hold silently

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                Which is why we need to help them, instead of just leaving them to suffer in their sickness until they hurt themselves or others.

                That means removing them from their environment, reeducating them out of bad habits and unhealthy thought patterns, and teaching them new healthier cognitive habits. You just oppose reeducation camps because the term is yucky, but there’s nothing wrong with rehabilitation facilities. We don’t have to leave racists to suffer with their afflictions. They can be helped.

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                  Those rehabilitation facilities already exist. Forced medical treatment. It is restricted to the most extreme cases, I think for a reason.

                  If you were actually concerned about people’s well-being, you’d at least be consistent about applying forced medical treatment to anybody who has some issues that cause harm to others. Sending alcoholics, narcissists, drug addicts, workplace bullies, etc. to camps? Pretty extreme but at least consistent.

                  But you are not. You just want an excuse to send people to camps. Typical red fash stuff.

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      Consistently, you always choose the repressive side as you did with China in that thread about lgbt erotica authors being arrested. As a queer socialist, this is depressive to see.

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        Imagine not believing racists should be repressed. 🙄

        Also, in case you forgot, all I did in that thread was point out that China bans all erotica and that it isn’t specifically targeting queer authors. I just wanted to clarify something that wasn’t clear in the title. I never justified China’s outdated laws about erotic literature.