Right wingers love Sowell tho

Civility should be liberalism and they should be cheering it on to eat socialists in the second panel

Big artists are performing clowns for monopoly capitalists.

Not all Palestinians support Hamas. There are Palestinians who reasonably understand that Hamas provocations, despite operating as a liberation organization, does not achieve anything against a greater power. Namely, the most powerful military in the Middle East.

“Not all [ethnicity] support [X]” is a truism that applies to all ethnicities and basically all Xs. Here, you are actually using it to just share your own i correct positioning but trying to clothe it in a Palestinian jacket. The organizers of the Al Aqsa Flood are extremely popular in Gaza, in fact, as is the action itself.

Palestine is a conflict between Jews and Muslims.

This is actually the Zionist framing. There is an identical framing that occurred in reaction to this from occupied muslims and sympathetic muslims, but the framing is fundamentally flawed. There is a reason it is framed this way by Zionists, as they want you to ignore the material reality and history and instead, wrongly, believe that this is about religious differences and as old as the rekigions. Completely wrong. The “Israeli” occupation is an ethnic supremacist ethnic colonialist project like Manifest Destiny, with Palestinians being those occupied and killed by a foreign colonizer whose project is premised on the expulsion and death of the indigenous. It is around a century old, maybe century and a half depending on where you draw the line, but mass “immigration” of Zionist settlers began in the 1920s. Zionists conflate their genocidal project with Judaism, but this is an incorrect and fundamentally antisemitic way of thinking.

Zionist Jews who live abroad who support the State of Israel.

There’s that antisemitism at work. Most Zionists are not Jewish. They are self-professed Christians and non-Jewish atheists. “Israel”'s main backers are the US and Europe, with political class members of those religious views and general populations to match.

Muslims and Judaism do not view themselves in a secular fashion, because there was never a state and church separation like the way Christianity had from the beginning that evolved into popular Western culture.

This is completely ahistorical.

First, on Palestine. Prior to the occupation within the last 100 years, Palestine was multi-ethnic and multi-religious, governed by a relatively (though not officially) secular government. Jewish, Christian, Druze, Muslim, all lived together in integrated communities. This is in contrast to the ethnic supremacist “state” of “Israel”, which explicitly discriminates on the basis of rekigion and ethnicity from top to bottom, devaluing the lives of Palestinians.

Second, on so-called originalist Christian secularism: Christianity got its start re: government as the officially adopted religion of the Roman Empire, with ecclesiastically dressed-up policies to accompany it. Christianity inherited this title from the previous state rekigion of Rome, the polytheistic one with which you may be familiar. Christianity went on to be inseparable from state governance for over 1000 years.

The notion of “a separation between church and state” re: Christianity is actually a modern invention, an iconoclastic one wherein liberalism, the political ideology of capitalism, sought to undermine and do away with explicitly religious rule. The result waa to move the real powers of the church over to the state controlled by bourgeois interests. They called it “freedom” but of course the state did the same basic things as before.

Secularism comes from Christianity.

Secularism predates Christianity by ages. And as I said, Christianity has not been particularly secular.

Judaism is the “ways of being Jewish”, not the ways of being an American, Greek, or European.

This is a European antisemitic trope. Get out of here with this crap.

In fact, being “Jewish” was so important, Zionist resurrected the Hebrew language from extinction just to prove how Jewish they are

Zionists made Hebrew the official language in an effort to create an ethnic nationalist identity. Jewish people around the world spoke and speak many languages.

The Umma is the community of Muslims, therefore, the community is more important than the individual.

This is not logic.

You are viewing things from the Western idea of individual worth, and the supposed rights that exist over the individual that suppose to protect them. These are unreasonable first principles. In philosophy and science, a first principle is a basic proposition or assumption that cannot be deduced from any other proposition or assumption.

Valuing lives is not a Western individualist notion. OP has been inculcated with Western imperialist propaganda, but then again, clearly so have you.

Islam defines a Muslim, just as a transgender believes what they think of themselves defines them. You can’t have it both ways and not have a contradictory logic. Neither are liberal societies.

This does not make sense. In addition, there is diversity of opinion within islam. You cannit broad brush like this.

The Zionist policy is to expand the State Of Israel to include all of Greater Israel. Over the decades, they have been expanding, while the Palestinian state has been getting smaller. It is pretty obvious what is going on here, and like the long term policy of American Manifest Destiny, Greenland anyone, Zionist have their own Manifest Destiny.

100%. No notes, all correct.

Israel is given credit, because they are Jews, who were victims during the holocaust. In Christian morality, victims are given credit. The Israel Lobby is strong, and there is a kinship aspect to it. Christians for some reason view Jews as their next of kin, and have similar overlapping prophecies. These are the

This is the Zionist PR strategy. To understand why this support exists you have to look at the material basis, as it dictates what propaganda is created and disseminated and given worth by media outlets, achools, etc. “Israel” does not receive support in its genocidal project because it conflates itself with judaism and reminds everyone of the holocaust. It is the reverse: “Israel” has these messages promoted and repeated uncritically to shape public opinion because it provides material value to the ruling class and their political class pawns: disruption of surrounding states, particularly those seeking sovereignty. This is what Biden meant when he said if there were no “Israel” they would need to invent one. “Israel” is a US-backed ethnic supremacist tool of domination in the region.

The “Israel” lobby would not be allowed to exist if it contradicted the interests of the ruling class. It is, de facto, an intentionally-promoted mechanism of the US to discipline its political class, intelligentsia, and students.

There will be nothing done regarding the Manifest Destiny of Zionism, because there is nothing from the Muslim world that is strong enough to stop it. Israel would have not been formed under The Caliphate, or had the Ottoman Empire continued on.

The last sentence is true. Neither governance would have tolerated this project. However, opposition to “Israel” is not something that can only be undertaken by neighboring states - though Yemen is exemplary. “Israel”, like all ethnostates, is actually highlu fragile - this is why it requires so much funding and support from the US, as do neighbkring comprador governments. A weakening US empire could lead to a collapse so dramatic that nobody would expect it.

“Israel” has already experienced a brain drain since the Al Aqsa Flood and is in a perpetual state of political crisis, as their ethnic supremacy is contradicted by being unable to safely live in Northern “Israel” or “return the hostages”. They demand blood because they have no other security. They are fragile, held up by the US. They can fall at an opportune moment.

I had a conversation with someone on telegram’s GazaNow channel and I got the impression he’s in some military branch of Hamas that operates in Gaza. Dude told me things like “if we didn’t start this, Israel would attack us” and “we’re defending our land, our religion” (Religion? Really? What about Palestine?) and “this is jihad”.

“Israel” and the West do not really discriminate between brown muslim and Palestinian. The Zionist project is both racist and islamophobic and they seek to frame it in terms of religion, primarily as a way to deflect from the fact that it is colonialist and ethnic supremacist. Looj at the ignorant comments here about how this is simply “Jews vs. Muslims” and that it is an age-old “conflict” rather than a roughly century-old occupation. There is nothing incorrect in that person’s statements.

I tried to make reason out of his words, I told him they shouldn’t have done this, they had no strategic backup, Hezbollah and Iran didn’t know what they’ll do (but funny enough, Israel knew and saught the chance to start this genocide, which I do believe they were preparing for),

Through some unknown process you have decided they are involved in Hamas militarily. On what basis and in-depth knowledge do you feel you can chide them on geopolitical and military strategy?

I am also confused about your statement about Hezbollah. On which basis do you make it? Hezbollah began attacks on October 7-8.

I told him they lost their Islamic credibility with killing people instead of just kidnaping them,

This is nonsense. There is no dictate in islam that you must always capture and not kill occupiers.

I told him they would have had so much more support and legitimacy if Israel attacked first

“Israel” attacked in 1948. What on earth do you mean by credibility? And international support? The Al Aqsa Flood reversed neighboring countries’ normalization of relations with the occupation. No states that had any alignment with Palestine reversed course afterwards. What mythical international support do you believe was squandered? It has been an open genocide for over a year, we all know it, it is nakedly done against hospitals and schools, and the imperialists do not care. They support it. They do not think of Gazans as people. They are deeply racist in support of their own projects.

but he was continuing that this is jihad and as much martyrs is necessary to acheive victory and freedom, that much martyrs will be.

When you fight for liberation against murderous occupiers you accept that you will probably die trying to achieve it. This is a clear-eyed statement about the nature of the occupation and resistance.

Now. I don’t call citizens of Gaza martyrs, but victims.

Calling those killed martyrs, as is common in Palestine if you ask your friends, is a form of resistant optimism with both a religious and liberationist basis. The idea is that they died in a struggle, not simply killed without context, and that this is a valid struggle. To free from occupation, apartheid, deprivation, deep indignity, dehumanization. There is a reason every group involved in struggle there uses this terminology and asks that supposed allies not depict this solely as despairing defeats.

Yahya Sinwar is a martyr because he chose to live as a combatant and he died as a martyr by defending Gaza. Citizens of Gaza are not combatants and they never asked Hamas to do this. A lot of them blame Hamas because they lost their loved ones, their lives, their future. They are VICTIMS.

“A lot of” is a weasely way of avoiding the truth, which is that the Al Aqsa flood and its military leaders are extremely popular in Gaza. 70-90%.

Do you really think they wanted this? That they’re happy to die for Allah and Palestine? If you do, like many Muslims do, than you are disgusting just as Zionists and takfiris are, because you are dehumanizing them for their religious beliefs and for your own “pro Palestine” image.

Per the actual sentiments of Gazans, the organized resistance is very popular. Organizing resistance, including militarily, does not mean you want to be bombed. Uf you want to call them victims, then you should accept that you are now engaging in victim blaming. Hamas et al (the Al Aqsa Flood was not just Hamas, a fact you don’t seem to know) are not bombing Gaza’s schools ans hospitals and homes. That is the occupation they are organizing against. At no point in your “unpopular” (it is actually a very popular Western chauvinist position) statement did you correctly lay responsibility with “Israel” and its friends, including the Global North and comprador neighbors.

No, they are not happy they’re martyrs. Just the opposite. They’re devastated. Source? I have few friends in Gaza I talk to every fucking day.

Stop tokenizing your friends. Palestinians are actual people, they have diverse views and experiences. If you only have a few Palestinian friends then you should appeal to my many friends with the exact opposite - and much more popular - position.

Let your friends write their own posts if they want to discuss this.

And I blame Hamas for starting the third Nakba and all of the devastating pain people in Gaza are going through for a year and a half.

Yet again you fail to mention the people actually dropping the bombs, delivering the bombs, making the bombs. Instead you place blame with the only organized resistance against them within Palestine. Disgusting. This is also getting repetitive so I will skip such things.

More on their corruption. Qatar funds Hamas and Netanyahu is investigated for ties with Qatar. Put your tinfoil hats on and ask yourselves what is the outcome of October 7th as we can today witness and what are the eye poking facts that no one cares about?

And now you are just entertaining childish fantasies that Hamas is a Zionist OP. This is not a serious way of thinking.

Gaza is demolished and almost ethnically cleansed

This is the trajectory of all of Palestine without resistance. The occupiers have never stopped pushing. You’d know this if you ever read any history at all and internalized its meaning.

West Bank is under constant attacks,

This was already happening, it just increased in intensity. The West Bank is governed by the “passive” comprador government you seemingly wish Gaza had. Notice that it doesn’t save them. Instead, it works with Zionists to do patrols and disappear people.

Hezbollah is decapitated

Hezbollah is fine. Its primary strategic loss is in Syria falling, not the deaths of leaders.

Syria fell under governance of fucking ISIS

Backed by Turkey and the US, “Israel”'s sponsor. Syria had virtually nothing to do with any of this aside from proximity to “Israel” and being targeted by imperialists for being a remnant of independent Arab Nationalisn.

gulf states didn’t move a finger

The gulf states are run by governments installed by the US. They materially abandoned Palestine decades ago. Their approach to Palestine improved after the Al Aqsa Flood.

that Saudi shit prince is the best friend with Kushner

You’re about a decade late to that fact.

Trump is bombarding Yemen

The US has been bombing Yemen since Obama. Most of the bombing, to date, happened under Obama.

the only true supporter of Palestine, he threats Iran, he’s preparing USA troops in Diego Garcia for what, to attack Yemen and Iran,

Every president has worked against Iran. I’m at a loss for the exact relevance. Iran needs nukes to ensure its survival but it is naively playing it safe. Old news.

Israel is attacking Lebanon and Syria, potentially could attack Egypt. What is the outcome? Great Israel and USA hegemony over the region. Even worse, erasing of culture of the Middle East. And the worst, erasing lineages of Levantine and Arab families.

Notice the aggressors in those situations. It is not Hamas. Have you confused Hamas for the US Empire? Imperialists are responsible for their crimes, not those who oppose them.

Your logic is that of the whipped dog.

What country do you live in and how much should you be punished for living in it?

Github is basically social media but for tech nerds. Social media networks naturally monopolize, as they primarily have value because everyone else is already there. If you put your project on Github and it is popular you might get 2k “stars” and regular pull requests. If you put your project on an alternative you might get 10X less of both. So people make decisions about the trade-offs between exposure and avoiding Microsoft

The US has been punishing open source contributors from countries they don’t like.

Google Maps can, and we’re just hearing this live now, “get fucked”.

They don’t really care about that unless it’s organized. A few fires here and there is handled by insurance and poses no threat to capital. All the more reason to get organized!

Be afraid so that we can cut your benefits and you’ll forgive us due to nationalism.

The Global South is far more developed in this regard and is consequently where most of the action is in the class war. They fight against comprador governments, anti-indigenous oppression, anti-worker policies with far more militancy and organization and popularity than anything in any OECD country. Of course, the people of the Global South are not politically monolithic and they also have liberals, monarchists, fascists, etc.

No

All correct opinions are heavily biased.

You are wrong both semantically and in emphasis. I have had to say this 3 times already. I pointed out that it’s wrong to put so much emphasis on the former, it is distracting from the injustice, and your response was to be contrarian while ignoring what I’ve argued.

Do some self-criticism.

If you think just a bit harder about what it means for cops to be in on lynchings you will realize that you are drawing attention to an ahistorical and false semantics debate rather than keeping focus on the injustice posted. Just like these Reddit liberals trying to split hairs.

Ask yourself whether it was normal for cops to be at lynchings, then re-read my previous comment.

Reddit liberals are in here trying to make this about their own misunderstanding if a term.

If this was your first response to hearing about occupiers attacking and disappearing someone, reconsider your priorities.

Biden and Dems pushed hard against immigrants and beefed up ICE.

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