Even ignoring the hundreds of millions of Chinese Marxists, Marxist-Leninist consensus is that the PRC is Socialist, and Marxism-Leninism is by far the most common subset of Marxism globally. In the West, Trots and Maoists are more common due to their anti-AES stance and thus lack of material threat to the status quo, but Marxism-Leninism is still the most common subset!
What I want to ask is what you believe Socialism to be, because there’s a clear Marxist answer to that question.
Check the party lines of Marxist-Leninist parties. Even if you take the (fairly chauvanistic) stance that we can’t trust Chinese Marxist-Leninists, FRSO, PSL, the CPUSA, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, all consider the PRC to be Socialist. I would be surprised if you could find an ML party that goes against that consensus.
So the majority of party lines explicitly accept China as socialist? There’s a big difference between that and saying the majority of individual Marxists accept it, which is what you originally claimed.
There are plenty of geopolitical reasons to flatter China outside of actually thinking they’re socialist.
Most Marxists are members of parties, if they aren’t then they aren’t really Marxists. Marxism isn’t an intellectual fascination, but a means to change the world, if you abandon the crucial element of it then you abandon its purpose.
Even ignoring the hundreds of millions of Chinese Marxists, Marxist-Leninist consensus is that the PRC is Socialist, and Marxism-Leninism is by far the most common subset of Marxism globally. In the West, Trots and Maoists are more common due to their anti-AES stance and thus lack of material threat to the status quo, but Marxism-Leninism is still the most common subset!
What I want to ask is what you believe Socialism to be, because there’s a clear Marxist answer to that question.
Source for that Marxist-Leninist consensus? Is there a poll or something?
Check the party lines of Marxist-Leninist parties. Even if you take the (fairly chauvanistic) stance that we can’t trust Chinese Marxist-Leninists, FRSO, PSL, the CPUSA, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, all consider the PRC to be Socialist. I would be surprised if you could find an ML party that goes against that consensus.
So the majority of party lines explicitly accept China as socialist? There’s a big difference between that and saying the majority of individual Marxists accept it, which is what you originally claimed.
There are plenty of geopolitical reasons to flatter China outside of actually thinking they’re socialist.
Most Marxists are members of parties, if they aren’t then they aren’t really Marxists. Marxism isn’t an intellectual fascination, but a means to change the world, if you abandon the crucial element of it then you abandon its purpose.