When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
Also Firefox now has a Acceptable use policy https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/
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They removed this:
{ "@type": "Question", "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?", "acceptedAnswer": { "@type": "Answer", "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. " } },Wow, some promise!
Alright fine… So what are the best forks that are the most compatible with existing Firefox add-ons?
Edit: It’s looking like Waterfox might be best for my needs, but open to other recommendations or tips.
Um what the fuck.
Input information THROUGH the browser and they’re granted a right to that info worldwide license to use that? To use what I type into my url bar? To use what I search? To use what I type into forms on websites? This is a more all-encompassing spying license than I think even Google has. This is absurd. This is a spyware license not that of a browser. Not only that, any files I upload, their names, any files I download their names.
Maybe they’ll sell information on who looks like they’re doing filesharing, or porn habits, or those with politics a certain US administration present or future may not like.
This is unacceptable.
People saying “oh but it’s just to use the web” well part of the way they word it, all they have to do is insert spyware/adware or AI as they commonly call it these days and suddenly oh look at that, your normal use of the browser and how the data is used includes sending it all to us or our partners for the purposes of AI/ads, etc. One tiny little change, an addition no one will remark on or notice in future and suddenly this takes on very dire implications.
It’s time to move to LibreWolf I guess…
Fuck You mozzila. Fuck you. Whoever think this is a good and adding AI to firefox. I hope your burn to hell. You get unsufferable pain. Which human can’t comprehend.
In the privacy policy they state how and why they collect data. They also say how to potentially stop giving them this data
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/#to-adapt-firefox-to-your-needs
Not sure how honest & reliable this is. It’s bad enough that they decided for this.
According to Brody (starting at 4:16, 5:45-6:15), the new ToS/Acceptable Use Policy combo prevents you from looking at porn now.
I’m not sure if that’s what they’ve intended, but that’s the ramifications of what their changes are implementing.
wtf Mozilla :(
This just means they can use the information you input in order for Firefox to work the way you expect it to. The purpose of the information collection is clearly stated:
to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
But what does that actually mean? It just sounds as vague and non descriptive as possible, which is the worrisome part legally
If Mozilla wants to limit their use of my input, why the do I need to give them a full, non-exclusive license?
So that they can process all your input.
Firefox works just fine without the ToS change. They are up to something.
“Something something AI”
How would this work exactly? What keeps me from pieholing any telemetry or data Firefox tries reporting back to Mozilla?
You probably can, but 99.9% of users won’t.
The acceptable use policy is for Mozilla systems, such a pocket or ai tools, it doesn’t apply to Firefox (according to a Firefox forum response)
such a pocket or ai tools
And that, right there, is why nobody fucking wants that shit in Firefox to begin with!
(according to a Firefox forum response)
That’s not legal or binding though.
They need to update their ToS legal declarations to specify that explicitly.
The Acceptable Use Policy contains guidelines for services and guidelines for products. The Firefox TOS says “Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations.” The only part of the Acceptable Use Policy that pertains to products is “You also may not sell, resell, or duplicate any Mozilla product or service without written permission from Mozilla.” Mozilla has a separate TOS for their services.
Therefore, you can look at porn in FF as long as you don’t bundle FF in a Linux repo without their written permission, but you can’t look at porn when using their VPN.
Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy
That sentence says you have to obey the AUP, and the AUP says what it say about porn, gambling sites, etc.
The only part of the Acceptable Use Policy that pertains to products is “You also may not sell, resell, or duplicate any Mozilla product or service without written permission from Mozilla.”
[Citation Required]
Otherwise, you’re just attempting to obfuscate in an intellectually dishonest way.
Good point.
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
I’m trying to parse this. If you take the basic bits, they’re saying they can do anything with the info you give them.
When you upload or input information through Firefox (anything you do), , you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information.
The rest is just justification for the first part. They basically can use it in anyway they see fit.
Do these rights apply to forks?
Edit: These are the 2 I’m concerned about in the Acceptable Use policy:
- Violate the copyright, trademark, patent, or other intellectual property rights of others,
- Violate any person’s rights of privacy or publicity,
That means corporations can go after you for either.
Companies can go ahead you even without those two points.
But now Firefox has a leg to stand on when new standards would be forced upon them to prevent piracy and kiddie porn.
The age old argument of “Your browser is being used to bankrupt the movie studios and abuse children. What are you going to do about it?”
