Exactly. I can’t stand the whole vote with your dollars bullshit that the organic food people put out there. Fuck you. I want there to be rules and regulations saying you have to grow food without harmful pesticides. I don’t want it to be a choice. I want my laundry detergent to be free of dyes and fragrances, and not harm the water supply. I don’t want to have to pay extra for it. I want it to be the standard. The only way to get there is regulation.
This is an oversimplification. It is true that organic farmers are permitted to use certain chemicals on their crops, but the allowed substances are very different in terms of ecological impact compared to conventional chemical treatments (conventional chemicals and their breakdown products generally persist in the environment much longer).
Organic farmers are also required to try to manage pests without chemicals first, steering the organic industry towards “integrated pest management” where very small amounts of pesticides are used in a highly targeted manner.
Here is an excerpt from another source summarizing the requirement for integrated pest management:
"These plans address three levels of pest management. Level A is based on the expectation that a well-designed and healthy organic system will naturally have fewer pest problems. It focuses on pest and disease outbreak prevention practices such as cover crops, crop rotation and providing habitat for ladybugs and other beneficial insects.
If Level A practices are not sufficient, Level B focuses on the introduction of insect predators and parasites, mulching, grazing, mowing, solarization and other mechanical and physical practices.
If additional pest management is needed, Level C includes the use of natural and synthetic pesticides on the National List."
I dated this chick that was way into holistic all natural whatever. I swear you could put anything in a cardboard box or other plain packaging with “organic” on the side and she should buy that shit and than post about it changing her life…
Anyway, she had some mixed nuts or some such completely unopened. Left that shit in my cupboard and I swear not even a week later my place was full of moths!
It took days to even figure out where they were all coming from. Just suddenly it was end of days in my house. She came back over at some point and was like wtf is going on with these bugs!?
I forget which one of us found it but dude, that container was jam packed with life. Like a whole ass ecosystem in there one by one squeezing it’s way out through a tiny crack in the container! Fuckin Nasty!
With the source removed it still took a week or two for the place to be free of the damn things.
Yeah that’s a known problem with less treated food.
For this kind of food (nuts, rice, granola, etc…) a good way to avoid the “packet bursting with life” situation is to keep it a few days in the freezer as soon as you get it.
And also keep it in a sealed container like a glass jar. That way bugs don’t find a way IN through the crack in the packaging.
I have to do both freezer and container with my flour otherwise I get bonus weevil protein in my cakes.
The joys of living in warm humid climates!
Edit: a word
Exactly. I can’t stand the whole vote with your dollars bullshit that the organic food people put out there. Fuck you. I want there to be rules and regulations saying you have to grow food without harmful pesticides. I don’t want it to be a choice. I want my laundry detergent to be free of dyes and fragrances, and not harm the water supply. I don’t want to have to pay extra for it. I want it to be the standard. The only way to get there is regulation.
The organic food people just use different pesticides. “Organic” is all a marketing scam.
This is an oversimplification. It is true that organic farmers are permitted to use certain chemicals on their crops, but the allowed substances are very different in terms of ecological impact compared to conventional chemical treatments (conventional chemicals and their breakdown products generally persist in the environment much longer).
Organic farmers are also required to try to manage pests without chemicals first, steering the organic industry towards “integrated pest management” where very small amounts of pesticides are used in a highly targeted manner.
https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/blog/organic-101-allowed-and-prohibited-substances https://www.pubs.ext.vt.edu/ENTO/ENTO-384/ENTO-384.html
I don’t see anything backing up your alternative insect control claims, but it really is just a different batch of pesticides on wide use.
https://www.agdaily.com/technology/the-list-of-pesticides-approved-for-organic-production/
Here is an excerpt from another source summarizing the requirement for integrated pest management:
"These plans address three levels of pest management. Level A is based on the expectation that a well-designed and healthy organic system will naturally have fewer pest problems. It focuses on pest and disease outbreak prevention practices such as cover crops, crop rotation and providing habitat for ladybugs and other beneficial insects.
If Level A practices are not sufficient, Level B focuses on the introduction of insect predators and parasites, mulching, grazing, mowing, solarization and other mechanical and physical practices.
If additional pest management is needed, Level C includes the use of natural and synthetic pesticides on the National List."
https://www.safefruitsandveggies.com/organic-regulations/#%3A~%3Atext=Organic+farmers+are+required+to%2C-regulations%2Forganic%2Fhandbook.
Also, the list you have linked is so so much less bad than the list of allowed chemicals for conventional farmers, which I can’t even find online… Best way I have found to view it is here: https://ordspub.epa.gov/ords/pesticides/f?p=CHEMICALSEARCH%3A46::::
Bottom line is that conventional pesticide use is much less transparent and less tightly regulated.
Not always. Some of their food is just full of eggs/ larva that will erupt into an entire colony that takes over your whole damn kitchen!
Source: Stuck my dick in crazy.
Well now you gotta go into detail. You can’t leave us hanging
I dated this chick that was way into holistic all natural whatever. I swear you could put anything in a cardboard box or other plain packaging with “organic” on the side and she should buy that shit and than post about it changing her life…
Anyway, she had some mixed nuts or some such completely unopened. Left that shit in my cupboard and I swear not even a week later my place was full of moths!
It took days to even figure out where they were all coming from. Just suddenly it was end of days in my house. She came back over at some point and was like wtf is going on with these bugs!?
I forget which one of us found it but dude, that container was jam packed with life. Like a whole ass ecosystem in there one by one squeezing it’s way out through a tiny crack in the container! Fuckin Nasty!
With the source removed it still took a week or two for the place to be free of the damn things.
She sure could suck a dick tho!
Yeah that’s a known problem with less treated food. For this kind of food (nuts, rice, granola, etc…) a good way to avoid the “packet bursting with life” situation is to keep it a few days in the freezer as soon as you get it.
It kills a good chunk of the pests.
And also keep it in a sealed container like a glass jar. That way bugs don’t find a way IN through the crack in the packaging. I have to do both freezer and container with my flour otherwise I get bonus weevil protein in my cakes. The joys of living in warm humid climates! Edit: a word
10/10 you are hired