You damaged the ability of Democrats to win the election by preventing us from moving them to an electable position. You project onto people who were genuinely trying to help Democrats not lose, because they wanted Democrats to move away positions which were unelectable (pro-billionaire, campaigning with Cheney, pro-genocide, etc…), this idea that by asking/ demanding Democrats do better, that they were the ones doing the damage, when in-fact, by attacking them, it was you doing the damage. I know deep inside you, you know this.
In the future, just keep all your political opinions and strategies to yourself, so that we can actually get Democrats to win elections. If you keep demanding that your approach to electoralism be elevated and centered; the strategy of silencing criticisms and carrying water for bad policy; the strategy of marginalizing voices in a big tent party: if you keep demanding this, the Democrats will never win another election again.
Because the fact of the matter is: you are a loser.
As in, your strategy, your approach to electoralism was precisely what was elevated, centered, and focused on by Democratic strategists this election: and its a losing strategy. It lost the election. We’ve received the wages of your approach: Trump.
So in the future, just stfu and get carried by your political betters.
Look, its obvious you don’t understand politics. If you don’t keep it to yourself in the future and allow us to move the Democrats to a position they can actually win from, they WILL lose again.
6 million people didn’t show up the this election because of the Democrats position on Gaza. They didn’t need to be told that voting for a pro-genocide candidate was a bad thing. Its the politicians that needed to move to where the members of their party were. By defending these indefensible positions, you created a permission structure were Democratic politicians believed they didn’t have to change their policy.
It wasn’t the activist left that convinced people that supporting a genocide is a bad thing. Thats just, a basic morality every person should have. What did you think was going to happen running a pro-genocide candidate in the anti-genocide party? What did you think was going to happen running a pro-billionaire candidate in the anti-billionaire party?
Its physically impossible and completely impractical to “move” the voters of the Democratic party in a single election cycle, let alone an extremely compressed one like we experienced. Not just that, but these policy positions are ones that have been cultivated for literally decades under the Democratic brand. And you expected to do what? Shift the entire philosophical and rhetorical basis of the modern Democratic party in 12 weeks? Through suppression?
Actually take a beat and think about your approach to rhetoric: Its quite literally, epifacial, preposterous.
So I’m sorry that you hurt us. It sucks. It sucks that the damage you’ve done to this country. We could have won. But we needed to move the candidate. And your answer to that was to demonize anyone trying to save the election from the damage you were doing.
And I know I’m not actually convincing you of anything, but by continuing to respond, you give me the opportunity to convince others the absurdity of your perspective. And it is working. I am shifting the basis and I know it, because I’ve seen how the tone and narrative has shifted. This is theatrics. Its a performance, and it works.
So thank you for being my partner in this dance. The more you respond, the deeper and more obvious the idiocy is that underpins your approach becomes; the more people are convinced and develop support for my approach.
Please continue; I can do this all day, and you are helping me gather people to my approach to politics.
Please. Stop. How will I ever convince any one the absurdity of your position with you putting out rhetoric like this? (hard /s)
But seriously, your answer to my point is just racism? Or further: Is it that you actually want the Democrats to become a party of racists? What exactly is it that you are arguing for? Your answer to being against a genocide is to call the people being genocided all terrorists?
Is this it? Have we gotten to your core? Is this why you didn’t want the Democrats to stand up against genocide?
Can’t you do better? This game isn’t (as) fun if you can’t do better than simply being racist. Then of course we’ll have to get you banned from .world too.
I’m not the one who called all Gazans terrorists; you did and its a deeply racist sentiment. Once I get you to fully document this, I’ll of course be reporting you for racism.
so you wanted to save the terrorists and help them keep the hostages
To be clear, you think all Gazans are terrorists? Or that they are all expendable?
I mean, if this was the voter that the Democrats were catering to, its obvious why the lost. Thankfully, the vast majority of Democratic voters aren’t racist like this.
I mean if all you wanted to do was support genocide, why didn’t you just go be a Republican? We could have stopped Trump if we could have gotten the candidate to oppose genocide. Obviously, as a defender of genocide, that was a deal breaker for you. But you had another pro-genocide option. So you could have still voted your racist, pro-genocide conscious and we still could have beaten Trump.
such evasion, come on would it have been better for the gazans with harris as president?
Don’t pretend to care about the people of Gaza. You literally just called them all terrorists and expendable.
You don’t care about the people of Gaza and you never have. You exposed your true self not more than 2 replies back: It was less important for you for the Democrats to win the election, than it was that they keep a pro-genocide stance.,
You are pro-genocide, and if the party would have turned against that, it would have been a problem for you.
So it comes back to the first point which started this all: If Democrats are centering a racist and progenocide voters priorities, they will not win elections.
Thank you for giving us a lens into your thinking. You’ve even given me considerations I hadn’t had before. Previously I assumed this “shut the fuck up and line up behind in support of genocide” approach to politics coming from your camp as based in fear. That you genuinely were afraid of Trump, of losing to Trump, of the consequences of that. I had offered you at least the charity that it wasn’t something more nefarious.
But you’ve done the work for me. For you, it was never about beating Trump. It was always about keeping the Democrats supporting a genocide. When I have to make this point again, I’ll be referencing this thread.
You damaged the ability of Democrats to win the election by preventing us from moving them to an electable position. You project onto people who were genuinely trying to help Democrats not lose, because they wanted Democrats to move away positions which were unelectable (pro-billionaire, campaigning with Cheney, pro-genocide, etc…), this idea that by asking/ demanding Democrats do better, that they were the ones doing the damage, when in-fact, by attacking them, it was you doing the damage. I know deep inside you, you know this.
In the future, just keep all your political opinions and strategies to yourself, so that we can actually get Democrats to win elections. If you keep demanding that your approach to electoralism be elevated and centered; the strategy of silencing criticisms and carrying water for bad policy; the strategy of marginalizing voices in a big tent party: if you keep demanding this, the Democrats will never win another election again.
Because the fact of the matter is: you are a loser.
As in, your strategy, your approach to electoralism was precisely what was elevated, centered, and focused on by Democratic strategists this election: and its a losing strategy. It lost the election. We’ve received the wages of your approach: Trump.
So in the future, just stfu and get carried by your political betters.
i didn’t stop you from doing anything unfortunately
i tried to support the democrats because i saw the danger of trump
you just cared about taking away votes from the democrats by blaming them for gaza, and ridiculously calling them a billionaire republican party
because you’re a fundamentalist that hates the US and democracy and loves terrorists
as you said, stop projecting and take responsibility
Look, its obvious you don’t understand politics. If you don’t keep it to yourself in the future and allow us to move the Democrats to a position they can actually win from, they WILL lose again.
6 million people didn’t show up the this election because of the Democrats position on Gaza. They didn’t need to be told that voting for a pro-genocide candidate was a bad thing. Its the politicians that needed to move to where the members of their party were. By defending these indefensible positions, you created a permission structure were Democratic politicians believed they didn’t have to change their policy.
It wasn’t the activist left that convinced people that supporting a genocide is a bad thing. Thats just, a basic morality every person should have. What did you think was going to happen running a pro-genocide candidate in the anti-genocide party? What did you think was going to happen running a pro-billionaire candidate in the anti-billionaire party?
Its physically impossible and completely impractical to “move” the voters of the Democratic party in a single election cycle, let alone an extremely compressed one like we experienced. Not just that, but these policy positions are ones that have been cultivated for literally decades under the Democratic brand. And you expected to do what? Shift the entire philosophical and rhetorical basis of the modern Democratic party in 12 weeks? Through suppression?
Actually take a beat and think about your approach to rhetoric: Its quite literally, epifacial, preposterous.
So I’m sorry that you hurt us. It sucks. It sucks that the damage you’ve done to this country. We could have won. But we needed to move the candidate. And your answer to that was to demonize anyone trying to save the election from the damage you were doing.
And I know I’m not actually convincing you of anything, but by continuing to respond, you give me the opportunity to convince others the absurdity of your perspective. And it is working. I am shifting the basis and I know it, because I’ve seen how the tone and narrative has shifted. This is theatrics. Its a performance, and it works.
So thank you for being my partner in this dance. The more you respond, the deeper and more obvious the idiocy is that underpins your approach becomes; the more people are convinced and develop support for my approach.
Please continue; I can do this all day, and you are helping me gather people to my approach to politics.
that’s right you did make a big deal out of gaza didn’t you, because you love terrorists and hate democrats
why do you love the terrorists so much, is it their refusal to make peace for 100 years?
Please. Stop. How will I ever convince any one the absurdity of your position with you putting out rhetoric like this? (hard /s)
But seriously, your answer to my point is just racism? Or further: Is it that you actually want the Democrats to become a party of racists? What exactly is it that you are arguing for? Your answer to being against a genocide is to call the people being genocided all terrorists?
Is this it? Have we gotten to your core? Is this why you didn’t want the Democrats to stand up against genocide?
Can’t you do better? This game isn’t (as) fun if you can’t do better than simply being racist. Then of course we’ll have to get you banned from .world too.
hey are you doing that projection thing again? naughty
so you wanted to save the terrorists and help them keep the hostages
and you thought the best way to do that was defeat the democrats and help trump get elected
don’t you think they would have had more leverage with the democrats than with trump?
I’m not the one who called all Gazans terrorists; you did and its a deeply racist sentiment. Once I get you to fully document this, I’ll of course be reporting you for racism.
To be clear, you think all Gazans are terrorists? Or that they are all expendable?
I mean, if this was the voter that the Democrats were catering to, its obvious why the lost. Thankfully, the vast majority of Democratic voters aren’t racist like this.
I mean if all you wanted to do was support genocide, why didn’t you just go be a Republican? We could have stopped Trump if we could have gotten the candidate to oppose genocide. Obviously, as a defender of genocide, that was a deal breaker for you. But you had another pro-genocide option. So you could have still voted your racist, pro-genocide conscious and we still could have beaten Trump.
wooooooow i think you out-of-body projected there
such evasion, come on would it have been better for the gazans with harris as president?
Don’t pretend to care about the people of Gaza. You literally just called them all terrorists and expendable.
You don’t care about the people of Gaza and you never have. You exposed your true self not more than 2 replies back: It was less important for you for the Democrats to win the election, than it was that they keep a pro-genocide stance.,
You are pro-genocide, and if the party would have turned against that, it would have been a problem for you.
So it comes back to the first point which started this all: If Democrats are centering a racist and progenocide voters priorities, they will not win elections.
Thank you for giving us a lens into your thinking. You’ve even given me considerations I hadn’t had before. Previously I assumed this “shut the fuck up and line up behind in support of genocide” approach to politics coming from your camp as based in fear. That you genuinely were afraid of Trump, of losing to Trump, of the consequences of that. I had offered you at least the charity that it wasn’t something more nefarious.
But you’ve done the work for me. For you, it was never about beating Trump. It was always about keeping the Democrats supporting a genocide. When I have to make this point again, I’ll be referencing this thread.