I’m pretty sure most people who are doing this are trying, in their own way, to make a point.
It wasn’t about “national security”. It was about a large digital meeting place where ideas could be shared, or feelings and frustrations at their government could be seen and felt by others who felt the same. Big Brother doesn’t like that, unless it is on US Corporate Approved Social Media, where they can promptly shut you down, or get their algorithm to put post with specific keywords out of the eyes of as many as possible.
So, instead of creating actual data privacy laws, as they should have, they decided to attack TikTok, because Mark Zuckerburg got in front of congress during whatever case it was that brought his lizard ass in the room (maybe the Cambridge Analytica scandal?) and said that TikTok was more dangerous than his own platform.
There you go. It was never about “national security”, as there were much better ways to handle that than banning one single app.
They did write data privacy laws when they banned TikTok. Read HR 815 Division H and Division I of 118th Congress, which is just HR 7520 and 7521 bundled into a larger bill.
The original text of HR 7520 is:
(a) Prohibition.—It shall be unlawful for a data broker to sell, license, rent, trade, transfer, release, disclose, provide access to, or otherwise make available personally identifiable sensitive data of a United States individual to—
(1) any foreign adversary country; or
(2) any entity that is controlled by a foreign adversary.
(b) Enforcement by Federal Trade Commission.—
(1) UNFAIR OR DECEPTIVE ACTS OR PRACTICES.—A violation of this section shall be treated as a violation of a rule defining an unfair or a deceptive act or practice under section 18(a)(1)(B) of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 57a(a)(1)(B)).
(2) POWERS OF COMMISSION.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—The Commission shall enforce this section in the same manner, by the same means, and with the same jurisdiction, powers, and duties as though all applicable terms and provisions of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 41 et seq.) were incorporated into and made a part of this section.
(B) PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES.—Any person who violates this section shall be subject to the penalties and entitled to the privileges and immunities provided in the Federal Trade Commission Act.
(3) AUTHORITY PRESERVED.—Nothing in this section may be construed to limit the authority of the Commission under any other provision of law.
Definition of Foreign Adversary:
“(4) FOREIGN ADVERSARY COUNTRY.—The term “foreign adversary country” means a country specified in section 4872(d)(2) of title 10, United States Code.”
Which states:
“(2) Covered nation .— The term “covered nation” means— (A) the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea; (B) the People’s Republic of China; (C) the Russian Federation; and (D) the Islamic Republic of Iran.”
But I think it also includes a few other countries, idk if this text is up to date.
I… don’t really care about a foreign government having my data. Like, Id rather no one does, but the US government is the only one with direct impact on my life personally. Who gives a fuck about China. I will literally never go there.
I don’t care if you don’t mind having harm done to you, the entirety of the USA would suffer from continued data collection by the CCP. The entirety of the USA would suffer from more “pig butchering” scams, more industry hacks and subterfuge, more US Military installations being mapped out. That’s all ignoring their impact on politics.
So stop bothering us here and go screw around on RedNote if thats what you think.
Right? If logging keystrokes is “wrong”, then ban that! I’ve never downloaded TikTok in my life but this entire thing is so transparently manufactured.
I could not care less if China has every single thing I’ve ever typed. They’re literally half a world away, and have never tried to launch a war on vague concepts.
The US government nor any corporate owner of the US government should have a single idea of my existence except for tax purposes.
They may not have called it that but look into the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. Both governments are bad. But the fact Chinese and us citizens are interacting face to face is a major positive.
The data is stored on US soil, so whatever they are able to gather, the US government is allowing it. Which means… all social media. So, ban all social media then if it’s such a risk, right? Or… I don’t know… maybe make an actual data privacy law so no one can steal and hoover up your precious data?
Look m8 IDC how authoritarian they are, if China wants to see how much brain rot I can get through in an 8 hour period that’s fine, it’s not like they’re an authority over me
In the US, especially for some marginalized groups (trans folks mostly right now) there’s an active push by the govt to make people hate us, I don’t want THAT authority to have any of my fucking data, especially when analysis of my scrolling habits could tell them when I’m most likely home or whatnot.
Given the choice between an authoritarian and an authoritarian, I’ll take the authoritarian who can’t exert power over me thanks
Except they’re not just both authoritarian; they’re both capitalist. So TikTok (or whatever) will just sell your data to brokers and it’ll eventually end up in the hands of Americans who would visit your home.
Are you somehow not aware that Google/Facebook/Twitter literally do the same thing? Wouldn’t it make more sense to create a data privacy law so that everyone benefits? I don’t understand why that’s so hard to grasp for some of these folks.
Yeah absolutely.
Grassroots organising is good but so is being angsty on the internet.
Like how a few people were talking about voting as a tool for harm prevention on an individual rather than systemic level before the election.
Whatever works to make you feel less powerless is a good thing
I don’t understand why the people here who like TikTok aren’t on a Reddit instead. They don’t mind closed-source software on a corporate server manipulating us. There’s people who want just TikTok gone, and people who want all centralized social media gone.
I don’t understand why the people here who like TikTok aren’t on a Reddit instead.
Reddit is not as leftist as I’d like it to be. Reddit app is garbage while Sync is awesome. I left in solidarity the day they banned third party apps.
I like the idea of decentralized social media and I trust you tech savvy lemmings about its importance, but I also have a weakness for nice communities and TikTok has/had one.
I’m… pretty sure people can like both open source and closed source things… “manipulating” yes. I’ve been so manipulated. I’ve been so manipulated that I think there should be actual data privacy laws. They got me.
IT professionals clutching their pearls is just this year’s “won’t somebody think of the bank windows!” Our data is fucked already. Security and privacy had been made worthless now and only seems to have a compensative value to tech companies. So why not cast it to the wind and watch them scramble after it?
Multiple data leaks have came about because of Facebook yet you don’t see anyone here saying anything about being happy to ban it. It’s so weird to see the disconnect. The true answer is for ALL of us to have actual data privacy laws enacted by our dinosaurs in government.
I’m pretty sure most people who are doing this are trying, in their own way, to make a point.
It wasn’t about “national security”. It was about a large digital meeting place where ideas could be shared, or feelings and frustrations at their government could be seen and felt by others who felt the same. Big Brother doesn’t like that, unless it is on US Corporate Approved Social Media, where they can promptly shut you down, or get their algorithm to put post with specific keywords out of the eyes of as many as possible.
So, instead of creating actual data privacy laws, as they should have, they decided to attack TikTok, because Mark Zuckerburg got in front of congress during whatever case it was that brought his lizard ass in the room (maybe the Cambridge Analytica scandal?) and said that TikTok was more dangerous than his own platform.
There you go. It was never about “national security”, as there were much better ways to handle that than banning one single app.
They did write data privacy laws when they banned TikTok. Read HR 815 Division H and Division I of 118th Congress, which is just HR 7520 and 7521 bundled into a larger bill.
The original text of HR 7520 is:
Definition of Foreign Adversary:
Which states:
But I think it also includes a few other countries, idk if this text is up to date.
I… don’t really care about a foreign government having my data. Like, Id rather no one does, but the US government is the only one with direct impact on my life personally. Who gives a fuck about China. I will literally never go there.
I don’t care if you don’t mind having harm done to you, the entirety of the USA would suffer from continued data collection by the CCP. The entirety of the USA would suffer from more “pig butchering” scams, more industry hacks and subterfuge, more US Military installations being mapped out. That’s all ignoring their impact on politics.
So stop bothering us here and go screw around on RedNote if thats what you think.
China was caught logging every keystroke through this. It’s why some revamped it’s permissions a while ago.
In China it shows people how to be good, science, technology., education, nature.
Here it show kids to eat tide pods.
It’s a propaganda method for China.
Yes, surely no other apps log keystrokes. Certainly not Gboard!
It’s irrelevant whether other apps do it – it’s still wrong.
See, to me, it’s not irrelevant. Either make a blanket data privacy law, or shut the fuck up.
Right? If logging keystrokes is “wrong”, then ban that! I’ve never downloaded TikTok in my life but this entire thing is so transparently manufactured.
Of course not, Google does no evil. Everyone knows that.
Does anybody have that image of Google as Lionel hutz’ advertisement from the Simpsons?
Don’t be evil?
No, Selling Data!
I could not care less if China has every single thing I’ve ever typed. They’re literally half a world away, and have never tried to launch a war on vague concepts.
The US government nor any corporate owner of the US government should have a single idea of my existence except for tax purposes.
Oh you sweet summer child!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Are you serious?
China didn’t have a war on terror or war on crime.
They may not have called it that but look into the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. Both governments are bad. But the fact Chinese and us citizens are interacting face to face is a major positive.
…neither of those things were wars, and both of those campaigns were successful by any possible measure.
The war on drugs is not a war, the war on terror is not a war. And both of those “campaigns” involved repression of concepts.
You sure they’re not wars? The several million dead injured, and enslaved non whites targeted in said wars probably disagree.
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Doing the the thing in direct opposition to what an authority is demanding is like a trauma response or something.
it’s also a good idea when the authority is being a piece of shit and grew too comfortable in their position.
moving your data from your domestic authoritarian to a foreign authoritarian isn’t the gotcha you think it is
The data is stored on US soil, so whatever they are able to gather, the US government is allowing it. Which means… all social media. So, ban all social media then if it’s such a risk, right? Or… I don’t know… maybe make an actual data privacy law so no one can steal and hoover up your precious data?
It is if you want to stick it to the domestic authoritarian
Look m8 IDC how authoritarian they are, if China wants to see how much brain rot I can get through in an 8 hour period that’s fine, it’s not like they’re an authority over me
In the US, especially for some marginalized groups (trans folks mostly right now) there’s an active push by the govt to make people hate us, I don’t want THAT authority to have any of my fucking data, especially when analysis of my scrolling habits could tell them when I’m most likely home or whatnot.
Given the choice between an authoritarian and an authoritarian, I’ll take the authoritarian who can’t exert power over me thanks
Except they’re not just both authoritarian; they’re both capitalist. So TikTok (or whatever) will just sell your data to brokers and it’ll eventually end up in the hands of Americans who would visit your home.
Are you somehow not aware that Google/Facebook/Twitter literally do the same thing? Wouldn’t it make more sense to create a data privacy law so that everyone benefits? I don’t understand why that’s so hard to grasp for some of these folks.
It would make more sense to use alternatives to those social networks. Yes, it is still bad when Americans do it.
You and I have practically zero control over privacy laws. We’re living in an oligarchy, not a democracy.
Yeah absolutely. Grassroots organising is good but so is being angsty on the internet. Like how a few people were talking about voting as a tool for harm prevention on an individual rather than systemic level before the election. Whatever works to make you feel less powerless is a good thing
The shit liberals just go along with because it fits their propaganda is genuinely fucking hilarious.
It’s not that deep. AIPAC fucking hated how the truth about Israel’s genocide was spreading, and told their puppets to ban it.
The DNC chose to lose 3 branches of government rather than disobey Israel.
Mark Suckerburg tells congress TikTok is a threat
Yeah. Lemmy users should spend a bit of time deconstructing why tik tok makes them so angry. There’s a bit to unpack there. Not that it isn’t trash.
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I don’t understand why the people here who like TikTok aren’t on a Reddit instead. They don’t mind closed-source software on a corporate server manipulating us. There’s people who want just TikTok gone, and people who want all centralized social media gone.
Reddit is not as leftist as I’d like it to be. Reddit app is garbage while Sync is awesome. I left in solidarity the day they banned third party apps.
I like the idea of decentralized social media and I trust you tech savvy lemmings about its importance, but I also have a weakness for nice communities and TikTok has/had one.
I’m… pretty sure people can like both open source and closed source things… “manipulating” yes. I’ve been so manipulated. I’ve been so manipulated that I think there should be actual data privacy laws. They got me.
Cool, I’d like a pony too.
IT professionals clutching their pearls is just this year’s “won’t somebody think of the bank windows!” Our data is fucked already. Security and privacy had been made worthless now and only seems to have a compensative value to tech companies. So why not cast it to the wind and watch them scramble after it?
Post your phone number.
Post your home address
but you already know where me and your mom live
You both live in the same place…
In my heart. 🫶
Multiple data leaks have came about because of Facebook yet you don’t see anyone here saying anything about being happy to ban it. It’s so weird to see the disconnect. The true answer is for ALL of us to have actual data privacy laws enacted by our dinosaurs in government.