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octopus_ink@lemmy.ml to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldEnglish · 5 months ago

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    Then negotiate. Stop fingerpointing.

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      Step 1: Figure it out.

      Step 1.5: Spread the word.

      Step 2: Negotiate.

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        Spread the word and they’ll try to get rid of you. Negotiate for yourself. Not everyone is worth more and some people actually prefer to stay on government subsidies like SNAP, and HEAP.

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          Negotiation almost de facto requires group effort, or a union. The only time negotiation works outside of that is edge cases.

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            Unions only help themselves. If you failed at negotiating; you over value yourself.

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              Unions only help themselves.

              That’s utter bullshit.

              https://www.afscme.org/blog/the-union-difference-in-wages-18-higher-pay-if-you-belong-to-a-union

              https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/27/labor-unions-winning-better-pay-hours.html

              https://www.nber.org/digest/digestsep18/new-evidence-unions-raise-wages-less-skilled-workers

              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-30/us-union-members-see-record-pay-raises-outpace-nonunion-workers

              https://www.axios.com/2024/03/20/union-workers-wealth-comparison-pay-difference

              https://www.epi.org/publication/union-workers-had-more-job-security-during-the-pandemic-but-unionization-remains-historically-low-data-on-union-representation-in-2020-reinforce-the-need-for-dismantling-barriers-to-union-organizing/

              https://southfloridaclc.org/index.php/labor-unions-pure-pro-no-cons-2/unions-and-job-security-a-lasting-relationship

              https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/general/labortaskforce/docs/WORK-fs-DOL-Unions-v6.pdf

              https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2021/article/employee-access-to-sick-leave.htm

              https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2019/union-workers-more-likely-than-nonunion-workers-to-have-healthcare-benefits-in-2019.htm

              They lead to higher wages, job security, better benefits, and better PTO/sick days. In every respect, in general, a union job is better for the worker than a non union job.

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                They lead to higher wages

                They lead to companies being forced to keep horrible employees that cost them money and pay them more than they’d otherwise need to. You could have negotiated better pay for yourself, but you want to keep leech employees around. They also can cause the closure of businesses (the opposite of job security). Sick time shouldn’t be a thing. No one should be incentivized to call in sick, and that costs the company money which again comes out of what you could have negotiated for yourself.

                Posting a bunch of union propaganda doesn’t change the fact that they only serve themselves.

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                  They lead to companies being forced to keep horrible employees that cost them money

                  I don’t care.

                  and pay them more than they’d otherwise need to.

                  Good, that’s the fucking point.

                  You could have negotiated better pay for yourself

                  You can’t, which is why unions have higher pay.

                  Sick time shouldn’t be a thing. No one should be incentivized to call in sick, and that costs the company money

                  Are you a troll, or are you genuinely this backwards?

                  Posting a bunch of union propaganda doesn’t change the fact that they only serve themselves.

                  My dude, this is all of the sources showing that they’re better jobs. It’s the government, corporate media, scientific research, all coming to the same conclusion. It ain’t propaganda.

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                    I’m 53 years old. I’ve had an equal amount of union and non union jobs. Union jobs SUCK for good workers. How to pay workers less than minimum wage? - unions! How to keep a drug addicts job so they can endanger their co-workers? -Unions.

                    There’s nothing stopping unions from allowing your boss to pay you minimum while they take ‘dues’ from you. Nothing is stopping unions from being as corrupt as employers.

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