Banning books, like banning movies, is a great way to admit publicly that your position is so weak you can’t tolerate any dissent. Let the power of your ideals stand on their own.
Edit: ok I’m going to leave this up here because I’m a masochist, but ok I get it. I’m with you guys. Boycott Gal Godot. Ban is functionally a boycott. In the US, this movie would never get banned, but I would 100% boycott it. I didn’t fully think this through and I agree with most of you guys.
You think Lebanon’s position against being invaded by Zionists and having their innocent civilians and children bombed to death is weak because they banned a movie?
Their position against being invaded is weak because they spent twenty years failing to keep Hezbollah from attacking Israel which is why they got invaded.
So a blanket ban of any books that acknowledge the existence of LGBTQ+ people and banning a single Disney movie for having a war criminal lead actress are exactly the same thing to you? You really can’t tell the difference?
Okay then, what criteria should I use for determing if someone committed a war crime? I assume the floor is considerably lower, unless you think compulsory service puts her on the level of Hitler.
I need you to understand that Mein Kampf is a banned book and so you are currently claiming the case against literal NSDAP Nazism is so weak it can’t tolerate dissent.
You need to either do some self crit and disentangle yourself from liberal idealism or get the fuck out of here.
You know what’s funny? I came into this thread expecting exactly this take, it being lemm.ee, I just was NOT expecting it to be from a lemmy.ml account lol.
Why are you repeating what I just told you as if you’re contradicting me? Mein Kampf is banned, and not because of any weakness in the case against it.
How about we don’t let Disney try to profit off a movie starring a Zionist in a country that just got invaded by the Zionist Entity?
Do you think the abstract concept of dissent is the only reason to censor something? Because be clear here, the film isn’t proposing dissent in Lebanon. It’s slop made for a quick bit of money to go on Disney’s big pile of money, and it stars a war criminal who worked for an agency that likes to kill Lebanese people . Yeah Gal Gadot dissents against the idea that Lebanon shouldn’t be sent exploding pagers
Yeah I guess ban and boycott mean different things to me, but you’re right. Functionally this is a boycott and I support boycotting this movie. Fair point.
Upvoting for the edit. It’s rare to see people doing self crit and changing their position after having it explained to them why their initial position is wrong. I wish I saw it more often.
“Fascism will die in the marketplace of ideas” has been conclusively disproven.
This is not because fascism is a strong idea, it’s because the marketplace of ideas (like most markets) ranges from “doesn’t work very well” to “rigged.”
Lol fascism got into power because there is a revolutionary mood in the air and the capitalists have spent a century banning the idea of socialism at every turn. I feel very confident that socialism would have become popular if there wasn’t an active effort to stymie it’s adoption by the masses.
Banning books, like banning movies, is a great way to admit publicly that your position is so weak you can’t tolerate any dissent. Let the power of your ideals stand on their own.
Edit: ok I’m going to leave this up here because I’m a masochist, but ok I get it. I’m with you guys. Boycott Gal Godot. Ban is functionally a boycott. In the US, this movie would never get banned, but I would 100% boycott it. I didn’t fully think this through and I agree with most of you guys.
You think Lebanon’s position against being invaded by Zionists and having their innocent civilians and children bombed to death is weak because they banned a movie?
Their position against being invaded is weak because they spent twenty years failing to keep Hezbollah from attacking Israel which is why they got invaded.
Except that Hezbollah formed due to the invasion by Israelis in 1982 but I get it, you liberals refuse to open a history book for once in your lives.
We’re talking about the present conflict.
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It appeared after Hezbollah spent twenty years bombing Israel.
how and why was Hezbollah founded?
You motherfucking libs actually expect geopolitics to work on a basis of “no takesies backsies”
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No. Because most people would agree that attacking someone means you can’t complain when you get attacked.
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Did you just equate Judaism with Zionism?
Fuck off, you antisemitic piece of shit.
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You support genocide, you just want the shoe to be on the other foot.
first they came for the disney remakes starring war criminals or whatever, and there was no one left to speak
So a blanket ban of any books that acknowledge the existence of LGBTQ+ people and banning a single Disney movie for having a war criminal lead actress are exactly the same thing to you? You really can’t tell the difference?
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she is one of the strongest supporters of the Wehrmacht and their ongoing genocide, even after enthusiastically serving in it
also I’ve heard she’s an awful actor (not that I would know, I don’t watch capeshit). She’s bombed box offices across the planet
So, in answer to my question, she wasn’t.
Was Adolf Hitler convicted for the Holocaust?
Were slave owners in the US convicted for crimes against humanity?
If they weren’t, then I am powerless to do anything but defend their innocence. I am very smart.
Okay then, what criteria should I use for determing if someone committed a war crime? I assume the floor is considerably lower, unless you think compulsory service puts her on the level of Hitler.
Maybe consider whether or not they have served in a military that’s been a genocidal occupation force since its inception?
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Do you think Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal? What about Joe Biden or Donald Trump?
Yes. No. No.
Okay so you agree that you don’t need to be convicted of war crimes to be called a war criminal?
Yes, but you have still failed to say what should be the basis.
We’ve told you multiple times in multiple comments. Have you tried reading them?
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Except in this case, the thing being banned has no message they’re trying to repress. They’re targeting a person who’s in it.
Snow White promotes the insidious falsehood that apples are poison
I need you to understand that Mein Kampf is a banned book and so you are currently claiming the case against literal NSDAP Nazism is so weak it can’t tolerate dissent.
You need to either do some self crit and disentangle yourself from liberal idealism or get the fuck out of here.
You know what’s funny? I came into this thread expecting exactly this take, it being lemm.ee, I just was NOT expecting it to be from a lemmy.ml account lol.
What? Mein Kampf is not banned almost anywhere in the world barring few exceptions mostly regulating it’s copyright or printing new copies.
Mein Kampf actually isn’t banned in the US or most of the world. It’s banned in Germany for obvious reasons.
Why are you repeating what I just told you as if you’re contradicting me? Mein Kampf is banned, and not because of any weakness in the case against it.
Yeah sure just debate Nazis in the fReE mArKeTpLaCe Of IdEaS! I’m gonna end it there because what I have to say is much less civil.
How about we don’t let Disney try to profit off a movie starring a Zionist in a country that just got invaded by the Zionist Entity?
Do you think the abstract concept of dissent is the only reason to censor something? Because be clear here, the film isn’t proposing dissent in Lebanon. It’s slop made for a quick bit of money to go on Disney’s big pile of money, and it stars a war criminal who worked for an agency that likes to kill Lebanese people . Yeah Gal Gadot dissents against the idea that Lebanon shouldn’t be sent exploding pagers
Yeah I guess ban and boycott mean different things to me, but you’re right. Functionally this is a boycott and I support boycotting this movie. Fair point.
Upvoting for the edit. It’s rare to see people doing self crit and changing their position after having it explained to them why their initial position is wrong. I wish I saw it more often.
“Fascism will die in the marketplace of ideas” has been conclusively disproven.
This is not because fascism is a strong idea, it’s because the marketplace of ideas (like most markets) ranges from “doesn’t work very well” to “rigged.”
Lol fascism got into power because there is a revolutionary mood in the air and the capitalists have spent a century banning the idea of socialism at every turn. I feel very confident that socialism would have become popular if there wasn’t an active effort to stymie it’s adoption by the masses.
So yes the marketplace of ideas is rigged.