I have no idea how anyone can still think the left and ‘globalists’ are in power when all the shit for nearly 50 years has been increasing authoritarianism and fascism.
Done correctly (in the left way), yes. But I have zero faith in that the small - but thoroughly surveilling - fascist state of the USA will do that. They in fact will try to increase the government and entrench on the few liberties the Americans still had.
All countries are “authoritarian,” all states exert authority. When analyzing them, it’s important to find which class is represented, which class is exerting its authority. The USSR was authoritarian towards the bourgoeisie, monarchists, and fascists, but empowering for the proletariat.
Further, fascism is just Capitalism in different circumstances. Dire circumstances, where it needs to violently and brutally defend its class dynamics.
I don’t think there’s much the left can gain from the right.
Capitalism and fascism is not what the proletarian right wants.
The main differences are that the right accepts social, class differences while the left wants socialized support and unity. On the other hand the left wants individual personal differences while the right wants uniform values.
It’s not about gaining things from the right but overcoming differences. There doesn’t have to be left and right. Then both sides can change society together and make a better world instead of fighting each other for the benefit of the upper class.
The main differences are that the right accepts social, class differences while the left wants socialized support and unity. On the other hand the left wants individual personal differences while the right wants uniform values.
Uh no, one wants private ownership of the means of production, the other collective ownership of the means of production. You cant have any analysis of right vs. left without looking at that since that is core to each ideology and everything else revolves around that.
The “right” is made up of those who want to retain the current Capitalist system, or turn the clock “back,” to earlier days. The “left” is made up of Socialists that want to progress onwards. The left and right “values” you list aren’t really indicative of right or left, but vibes.
The proletariat should unify, but this would make them left. Abandoning the reactionary position of being right-wing doesn’t mean the leftists get less left, it’s unifying around correct analysis.
From the point of view of the right, the left government is maintaining overbearing zoning laws and medical regulations. These left politics retain the profits for the upper class in the current Capitalist system.
It’s the separation of the proletariat that uphelds Capitalism, not one side alone.
A unified proletariat doesn’t have to be left. Restricting analysis to dialectical materialism misses that people also care about other things. The left would already have convinced the entire proletariat if it’s only materialism.
It’s the arrogance of already knowing how to resolve social issues that keeps the left stuck in the past. The left is all about respecting people and their emotions and desires, but when they are expressed in the form of right-wing support, they are called reactionary and ignored.
Right-wingers misanalyzing the issues felt by the whole proletariat don’t validate that analysis by virtue of the consequences being real. The proletariat being divided is indeed one method of upholding Capitalism, but the answer isn’t to abandon Leftist analysis, which is correct.
Further, Dialectical Materialism doesn’t “miss that people care about other things.” I think you’re confusing DiaMat for Class Struggle, which is merely one analysis of DiaMat.
The Left also isn’t all about “respecting people and their emotions and desires.” Not all desires are valid, nor are all viewpoints. There are correct conclusions and correct analysis, and there are incorrect conclusions and incorrect analysis. A right-winger blaming government as the issue when really it’s the fault of Capitalism and the state being of bourgeois character is wrong, and those ideas should be fought.
Leftist analysis is not correct if the proletariat is stuck where it is.
Not all desires are valid
I would say, not all enactments of desires are acceptable, but invalidating desires by themselves sounds wrong to me.
Who decides which desires are valid?
blaming government as the issue when really it’s the fault of Capitalism
Having a strong government to oppose Capitalism doesn’t help either. Capitalism is just one form of maintaining power. The people with capital will become the people at the top of the government if Capitalism is abolished by government.
Why not go full Hegel, treat left and right as thesis and antithesis and come up with something new?
What do you mean by “stuck?” Globally, conditions are rapidly changing, and moving steadily in favor of the Proletariat. Socialist countries like the PRC are overtaking the US, which is weakening in Imperialist power.
Desires based on inaccurate analysis are invalid. If someone wants to limit government because of problems sprouting from Capitalism, not the government, then these aren’t desires that need to be addressed. They can be better informed and corrected, but not entertained.
Strengthening the government under Capitalism isn’t Left either, rather the Leftist (specifically Marxist) solution is to smash the state and replace it with a Proletarian one. Historically, the bourgeoisie has been suppressed by Proletarian States, your hypothesis isn’t accurate.
Hegel’s Dialectics are idealist, and thus wrong. He advanced Dialectics, but it was Marx that stood them upright and made them Materialist. The idea of trying to synthesize a new ideology of left combined with right historically is Social Democracy, which ends in the same problems under Capitalism and in the Nordics, for example, relies on Imperialism to sustain itself. With the global weakening of Imperialism, conditions are decaying in the Nordics.
I have no idea how anyone can still think the left and ‘globalists’ are in power when all the shit for nearly 50 years has been increasing authoritarianism and fascism.
According to the frothing bootlickers that inhabit the space around me? Because gay
Them:" I saw someone once who spoke a different language than me once. What is that if not GLOBALISM?"
Soviet Union was authoritarian. Both the far left and the far right don’t want authoritarianism but claim the other side does.
Fascism, when state and companies become one, is the opposite of a small state, a major goal of the right.
So from a right wing perspective, the left and globalists must be in power if they are not living freely in a country with a small state.
Left and right should talk. There are many things that they can achieve together.
The far right can fuck off.
While a large state is not ideal, a small state that represses the people is the epitome of oligarchy.
A repressive small state is a strawman. Done right a small state is not repressive.
Done correctly (in the left way), yes. But I have zero faith in that the small - but thoroughly surveilling - fascist state of the USA will do that. They in fact will try to increase the government and entrench on the few liberties the Americans still had.
I agree. My point is that the right-wing workers also don’t want a fascist state. Thus there is common ground to prevent it together.
All countries are “authoritarian,” all states exert authority. When analyzing them, it’s important to find which class is represented, which class is exerting its authority. The USSR was authoritarian towards the bourgoeisie, monarchists, and fascists, but empowering for the proletariat.
Further, fascism is just Capitalism in different circumstances. Dire circumstances, where it needs to violently and brutally defend its class dynamics.
I don’t think there’s much the left can gain from the right.
Capitalism and fascism is not what the proletarian right wants.
The main differences are that the right accepts social, class differences while the left wants socialized support and unity. On the other hand the left wants individual personal differences while the right wants uniform values.
It’s not about gaining things from the right but overcoming differences. There doesn’t have to be left and right. Then both sides can change society together and make a better world instead of fighting each other for the benefit of the upper class.
Uh no, one wants private ownership of the means of production, the other collective ownership of the means of production. You cant have any analysis of right vs. left without looking at that since that is core to each ideology and everything else revolves around that.
The “right” is made up of those who want to retain the current Capitalist system, or turn the clock “back,” to earlier days. The “left” is made up of Socialists that want to progress onwards. The left and right “values” you list aren’t really indicative of right or left, but vibes.
The proletariat should unify, but this would make them left. Abandoning the reactionary position of being right-wing doesn’t mean the leftists get less left, it’s unifying around correct analysis.
From the point of view of the right, the left government is maintaining overbearing zoning laws and medical regulations. These left politics retain the profits for the upper class in the current Capitalist system.
It’s the separation of the proletariat that uphelds Capitalism, not one side alone.
A unified proletariat doesn’t have to be left. Restricting analysis to dialectical materialism misses that people also care about other things. The left would already have convinced the entire proletariat if it’s only materialism.
It’s the arrogance of already knowing how to resolve social issues that keeps the left stuck in the past. The left is all about respecting people and their emotions and desires, but when they are expressed in the form of right-wing support, they are called reactionary and ignored.
Right-wingers misanalyzing the issues felt by the whole proletariat don’t validate that analysis by virtue of the consequences being real. The proletariat being divided is indeed one method of upholding Capitalism, but the answer isn’t to abandon Leftist analysis, which is correct.
Further, Dialectical Materialism doesn’t “miss that people care about other things.” I think you’re confusing DiaMat for Class Struggle, which is merely one analysis of DiaMat.
The Left also isn’t all about “respecting people and their emotions and desires.” Not all desires are valid, nor are all viewpoints. There are correct conclusions and correct analysis, and there are incorrect conclusions and incorrect analysis. A right-winger blaming government as the issue when really it’s the fault of Capitalism and the state being of bourgeois character is wrong, and those ideas should be fought.
Leftist analysis is not correct if the proletariat is stuck where it is.
I would say, not all enactments of desires are acceptable, but invalidating desires by themselves sounds wrong to me. Who decides which desires are valid?
Having a strong government to oppose Capitalism doesn’t help either. Capitalism is just one form of maintaining power. The people with capital will become the people at the top of the government if Capitalism is abolished by government.
Why not go full Hegel, treat left and right as thesis and antithesis and come up with something new?
What do you mean by “stuck?” Globally, conditions are rapidly changing, and moving steadily in favor of the Proletariat. Socialist countries like the PRC are overtaking the US, which is weakening in Imperialist power.
Desires based on inaccurate analysis are invalid. If someone wants to limit government because of problems sprouting from Capitalism, not the government, then these aren’t desires that need to be addressed. They can be better informed and corrected, but not entertained.
Strengthening the government under Capitalism isn’t Left either, rather the Leftist (specifically Marxist) solution is to smash the state and replace it with a Proletarian one. Historically, the bourgeoisie has been suppressed by Proletarian States, your hypothesis isn’t accurate.
Hegel’s Dialectics are idealist, and thus wrong. He advanced Dialectics, but it was Marx that stood them upright and made them Materialist. The idea of trying to synthesize a new ideology of left combined with right historically is Social Democracy, which ends in the same problems under Capitalism and in the Nordics, for example, relies on Imperialism to sustain itself. With the global weakening of Imperialism, conditions are decaying in the Nordics.
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