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PugJesus@lemmy.worldM to A Comm for Historymemes@lemmy.worldEnglish · 8 days ago

Sparta's not that great

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Sparta's not that great

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PugJesus@lemmy.worldM to A Comm for Historymemes@lemmy.worldEnglish · 8 days ago
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    Defended that one pass and have been coasting on it ever since…

    Okay, also conquered Athens, but they had help.

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      They had help at the pass too. It was 300 Spartans out of about 7k total forces. Even the last stand had more non Spartans than Spartans.

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        Indeed, I find the sacrifice of the 700 Thespians more impressive.

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          Tryna tell me art-kids fought off Persian Immortals? Come off it, m8

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            Well, technically speaking, neither did the Spartans as the pass was indeed forced by the Persian.

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              Couldn’t be, must’ve let 'em through on purpose.

              Ain’t no way ancient Persians could kill anyone in Mjolnir armor except by starvation.

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      Athens? If those boy lovers and philosophers have the courage to stand up to Persia, then Sparta will not bend.

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        I know this came from 300 but

        Homosexual attraction sometimes existed in the form of pederasty, which influenced ancient Greek and especially Spartan military practices.[17] This usually consisted in romantic relations and mentoring by adult men with male youths. Pederastic relations are thought to have played some role with Sparta’s overarching “contest-system” or the agoge, which aimed to shape male Spartans into soldiers.[18]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece

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          Interesting! Thanks for that, had no idea the practice was in Sparta. Yes the quote is from 300, even though it’s not exactly what he said in the movie. I was too lazy to look it up.

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            For more interesting writing about the historical Sparta, check out the history blog A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry:

            • https://acoup.blog/2019/08/16/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-i-spartan-school/
            • https://acoup.blog/2019/08/23/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-ii-spartan-equality/
            • https://acoup.blog/2019/08/29/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-iii-spartan-women/
            • https://acoup.blog/2019/09/05/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-iv-spartan-wealth/
            • https://acoup.blog/2019/09/12/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-v-spartan-government/
            • https://acoup.blog/2019/09/20/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-vi-spartan-battle/
            • https://acoup.blog/2019/09/27/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-vii-spartan-ends/
            • https://acoup.blog/2022/08/19/collections-this-isnt-sparta-retrospective/

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