The article itself clearly and unambiguously wants gender-specific hiring, so clearly some people believe that the problems of Discrimination are solved by Discriminating in a different direction.
The way I see it, more Discrimination with different beneficiaries is not an easy shortcut to fix the problems of Discrimination and the only way to fix it is the hard work of cracking down on the causes of Discrimination.
Judging not just by this Article and also by many discussions I’ve that view is definitely contentious, often because people think that “counter”-Discrimination will correct the effects of past Discrimination, which at times it does, only it does so by moving the problem around as the new Discrimination is itself unfair for both people who were never victims of the past Discrimination and don’t deserve the gains they will now get and for those who never gained from past Discrimination and are now unfairly sidelined by the new Discrimination.
This is not “past” discrimination. This is happening today.
We are CURRENTLY in a situation where women are discriminated against, and that’s a problem. Men who are less qualified are being hired over women who are more qualified. Denying that is either ignorance or bad faith.
The solution to that problem is to hire more women.
We are CURRENTLY in a situation where people from the “wrong” social groups are discriminated against, and that’s a problem. People who are less qualified are being hired over people who are more qualified. Denying that is either ignorance or bad faith.
The solution to that problem is to hire people ON MERIT ALONE
Gender is not merit and is not competence, and yet here you are claiming unironically that to “solve” the problem that people are chosen on the base of gender, people should be chosen on the base of gender.
How about making sure that people are not being chosen on the basis of gender?!
Your “solution” just moves the unfairness around, still hiring because of chromosses they were born with some people who didn’t deserve to be hired and not hiring because of the chromossomes they were born with some other people who did deserve to be hired, fully preserving the unfairness of gender-based hiring, but being unfair to different people (and not those individuals who gained from previous unfairness, which would be just, just those who happen to have been born with some chromossomes similar to some otherwise totally unrelated individuals who benifited from the previous direction of Discrimination).
As I wrote earlier, you can’t Discriminate your way out of Discrimination.
Again, no shit. Everyone thinks we should be hiring on merit alone.
We can’t just wave a magic wand and say “don’t discriminate.” We need to identify WHO is not being hired based on merit and then take real actions to make sure that they’re hired fairly.
The subtext of anti-DEI is that white men are being discriminated against. The evidence for that is that many white men are struggling financially. And I agree, white men are struggling!
To fix that problem, we need to understand the cause of it.
White men are not struggling because of DEI. They are not struggling because of programs designed to fix discrimination. There are plenty of cases where folks overcorrected, and they shouldn’t have, but those programs do not cause the systemic problems that white men are dealing with. Ending those programs will not help white men, because they are not the cause.
White men are struggling because they live in a system where their bosses want them to work longer hours for less pay. Every product they buy is designed to maximize shareholder ROI, so prices are jacked up. You no longer own things, you subscribe to them, even houses. White men, along with everyone else, are being squeezed on all sides by corporations seeking maximum profits.
Ending DEI is the wrong solution to a real problem. It is a distraction.
The corporations that run this country don’t want you to think they’re the real cause. They need you to believe that maximizing profits is good, actually. They’ve built up a mythology that keeps you from seeing them as the cause of your suffering.
If they’re fucking people over, “it’s just business” and we stop asking questions.
They need you to believe that your suffering is caused by something else, ANYTHING else, because people WILL fix their problem.
DEI. Woke. Immigration. Nobody wants to work anymore. Feminism. Welfare queens. Trans folks. Abortion. Please, dear god, anything but capitalism.
Bernie Sanders got the closest. His campaign resonated with millions of people because he was accurately identifying some of the worst symptoms of capitalism. And Democrats killed his campaign to run Hilary, because they would rather lose than help people.
The two parties work together to advance capitalism. Republicans are the party of throwing wrong ideas at the wall and seeing which ones stick with people. Democrats act outraged at the ideas that don’t catch on, and quietly concede the ones that do (e.g. immigration). It’s the ratchet effect, and the result is that political news is inundated with arguments about things that don’t matter.
Capitalism is the cause of the problems that people have. There are many solutions, but labor unions are easy to recommend to almost everyone.
The article itself clearly and unambiguously wants gender-specific hiring, so clearly some people believe that the problems of Discrimination are solved by Discriminating in a different direction.
The way I see it, more Discrimination with different beneficiaries is not an easy shortcut to fix the problems of Discrimination and the only way to fix it is the hard work of cracking down on the causes of Discrimination.
Judging not just by this Article and also by many discussions I’ve that view is definitely contentious, often because people think that “counter”-Discrimination will correct the effects of past Discrimination, which at times it does, only it does so by moving the problem around as the new Discrimination is itself unfair for both people who were never victims of the past Discrimination and don’t deserve the gains they will now get and for those who never gained from past Discrimination and are now unfairly sidelined by the new Discrimination.
This is not “past” discrimination. This is happening today.
We are CURRENTLY in a situation where women are discriminated against, and that’s a problem. Men who are less qualified are being hired over women who are more qualified. Denying that is either ignorance or bad faith.
The solution to that problem is to hire more women.
We are CURRENTLY in a situation where people from the “wrong” social groups are discriminated against, and that’s a problem. People who are less qualified are being hired over people who are more qualified. Denying that is either ignorance or bad faith.
The solution to that problem is to hire people ON MERIT ALONE
Gender is not merit and is not competence, and yet here you are claiming unironically that to “solve” the problem that people are chosen on the base of gender, people should be chosen on the base of gender.
How about making sure that people are not being chosen on the basis of gender?!
Your “solution” just moves the unfairness around, still hiring because of chromosses they were born with some people who didn’t deserve to be hired and not hiring because of the chromossomes they were born with some other people who did deserve to be hired, fully preserving the unfairness of gender-based hiring, but being unfair to different people (and not those individuals who gained from previous unfairness, which would be just, just those who happen to have been born with some chromossomes similar to some otherwise totally unrelated individuals who benifited from the previous direction of Discrimination).
As I wrote earlier, you can’t Discriminate your way out of Discrimination.
Which people, motherfucker??
Again, no shit. Everyone thinks we should be hiring on merit alone.
We can’t just wave a magic wand and say “don’t discriminate.” We need to identify WHO is not being hired based on merit and then take real actions to make sure that they’re hired fairly.
The subtext of anti-DEI is that white men are being discriminated against. The evidence for that is that many white men are struggling financially. And I agree, white men are struggling!
To fix that problem, we need to understand the cause of it.
White men are not struggling because of DEI. They are not struggling because of programs designed to fix discrimination. There are plenty of cases where folks overcorrected, and they shouldn’t have, but those programs do not cause the systemic problems that white men are dealing with. Ending those programs will not help white men, because they are not the cause.
White men are struggling because they live in a system where their bosses want them to work longer hours for less pay. Every product they buy is designed to maximize shareholder ROI, so prices are jacked up. You no longer own things, you subscribe to them, even houses. White men, along with everyone else, are being squeezed on all sides by corporations seeking maximum profits.
Ending DEI is the wrong solution to a real problem. It is a distraction.
The corporations that run this country don’t want you to think they’re the real cause. They need you to believe that maximizing profits is good, actually. They’ve built up a mythology that keeps you from seeing them as the cause of your suffering.
If they’re fucking people over, “it’s just business” and we stop asking questions.
They need you to believe that your suffering is caused by something else, ANYTHING else, because people WILL fix their problem.
DEI. Woke. Immigration. Nobody wants to work anymore. Feminism. Welfare queens. Trans folks. Abortion. Please, dear god, anything but capitalism.
Bernie Sanders got the closest. His campaign resonated with millions of people because he was accurately identifying some of the worst symptoms of capitalism. And Democrats killed his campaign to run Hilary, because they would rather lose than help people.
The two parties work together to advance capitalism. Republicans are the party of throwing wrong ideas at the wall and seeing which ones stick with people. Democrats act outraged at the ideas that don’t catch on, and quietly concede the ones that do (e.g. immigration). It’s the ratchet effect, and the result is that political news is inundated with arguments about things that don’t matter.
Capitalism is the cause of the problems that people have. There are many solutions, but labor unions are easy to recommend to almost everyone.