Although personally in favor of Palestinian independence and critical of war crimes committed by Israel in its siege of Gaza, I attempted to explain in a back-and-forth discussion with a user (only afterwards learning was one of the community’s two moderators) why protest voting in the 2024 election to “punish” the democrats in favor of the republicans harmed the ultimate interest of reigning in Israeli violence in Palestine.
To further emphasize the damage caused by such a protest vote, I argued that not only is Palestine worse off with Trump elected instead of Harris, but as are a myriad of other social issues. The other user disagreed, arguing that Trump’s return to office facilitated the ceasefire, rather than my argument that Netanyahu deliberately delayed it to help Trump get elected.
After my fourth reply post in a reply chain that stemmed from my initial reply to the moderator’s comment, I was banned from [email protected]. Having at no point advocated in favor of the violence perpetuated by Israel in Gaza, I think the ban was unjustified, and demonstrates a bad precedent for maintaining echo chambers of moderator opinions, rather than communities that foster discussion.
They literally support the same things. Not subscribing to neoliberalism is definitely better. Did Biden/Harris do anything to stop the genocide? Did they do anything to help the average person? No. You’re still choosing evil.
Disengaging doesn’t stop evil, it allows it. You’re not preventing evil by choosing nothing, you’re just passively allowing whichever one wins. It’s the same as supporting both.
It’s literally a trolly problem. You can do something and cause a lesser evil, or do nothing and allow a greater evil. Choosing to do nothing is still choosing evil.
leave it to a democrat to look at a trolley problem and think the solution is killing people instead of taking them off the tracks. fucking liberals and murder, what is it about the two?
Y’all don’t understand the concept of opposition…
Vote for either side is a vote of confidence in the regime. They never have to make any changes since they win everytime.
America will never change for the better if you think voting against both does not send a message. Who said disengaging? There are other options and clearly stating why you’re abstaining is engaging.
One of the two parties was promoting fascism. If you support neither you were enabling fascism. Fascist enablers do not have a moral high ground.
Democrats very much enable fascism. They aren’t push back or vote against it. When in office they hardly make it so republicans can’t promote it. Democrats would rather play by the rules than actually help America. One who thinks either parties will ever help America hardly have the high ground. It is clear the democrats either do nothing, enable, or do the same actions. Same neoliberal imperialist coin.
Interesting that you changed a word there. Weird. Wonder why.
Democrats can enable fascism but the attitude of the person I replied to supports fascism 100% of the time even when they theoretically oppose fascism.
If you are letting the fascist party win you do not have moral high ground and never can have a claim on morality. This is why as a gay man I often don’t see dedicated cis-het leftists as actual allies as far too often they will sacrifice my safety for their sense of moral superiority.
Most Americans can’t even mentally operate outside of this box.
Until, they can, third party vote is just a protest vote to document that you don’t support the whores owners plants in the elected offices.