Would it make sense for “rhyme” to rhyme with “time”?

Or for “through” to rhyme with “two”?

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    “Deaf” just means that you have such profound hearing loss that you can’t communicate verbally properly, most deaf people do register sound albeit very badly.

    I, for instance, have about 75 dB hearing loss, I don’t hear people walking, and barely register high heels on tiles, I don’t hear cars driving either, but I do hear it when they sound the horn; to give an idea of my deafness.

    But I do know what spoken languages sound like, and what rhyming means. And how weird English spelling is, compared to its pronunciation. (English is my second/third language after Dutch and DSL, if that matters)

    That said, there are people who really can’t hear anything, I know someone who’s ossicles (bones inside the ear, vital for hearing) don’t make contact, he’s never heard anything. He’s aware certain words sound alike and (in Dutch) mostly when their spelt the same, but only because school / people around him told him that.

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    Some Deaf people can still hear, in which case rhymes would make sense.

    Someone who’s never heard before probably wouldn’t get rhymes in English. But then again, someone who speaks English probably wouldn’t get rhymes in ASL.

    People who can hear would have an advantage though in that they’d be able to learn ASL and pick up on wordplay (like “rhyming”) that’s used in ASL. Unless a Deaf person becomes Hearing, they may never be able to experience rhymes in spoken English.

    … it’d be easier if our spelling wasn’t so darned stupid, lol

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        I’m not sure why you’re crying, but you’re incorrect.

        It is surprising to many people outside of the Deaf Community, but Deaf people can often hear. The Deaf are considered deaf once they have passed a certain decibel (dB) hearing loss. Many people who are profoundly deaf can still hear planes, dogs barking, etc. Hearing a sound does not mean that Deaf people can understand speech. A person with a significant hearing loss generally has difficulty or inability to hear speech even when aided.

        https://www.gatecommunications.org/deafness

        As well, people with cochlear implants are (generally?) also Deaf, but with the implant, they can hear.

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    Someone posted a ASL SLAM poetry video yesterday, and it might give some hints. This isn’t an authoritative answer, just something off-the-cuff.

    When ASL is translated into English for poetry, 95% of the time it’s lost in translation. That’s why I ask the interpreters not to translate the poems. You have rhyme in the English poetry and patterns of verbal repetition. ASL is more about the movement, a visual rhyme versus an auditory rhyme.

    Granted, that’s referring to ASL-native poetry versus English poetry translated to ASL. But, from that, it would seem that no, rhymes don’t make a lot of sense in the same way they do for spoken poetry assuming the person has no auditory reference for the sound of words.

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    6 days ago

    Along the same lines, do deaf people compose poems in ASL? What aspect of that language plays the part of rhyme?