😂 you’re just clueless. Literally every store with security cameras puts up a sign on the entrance doors that allows this behavior and there is plenty of case law that supports this. Your wonderful facebook case is a laughably retarded example. Its not even remotely applicable to this conversation.

• its a state law which has 0 impact anywhere except Illinois.
• its not applicable to the tsa or any state/federal agency (aka public entities) which are explicitly excluded from that law.
• nor did it in anyway prevent Facebook from continuing the practice. They just needed to put up a clear and visible notice of the functionality as I explained with the security cameras.
• nor did it have anything to do with individuals in public spaces.
• finally it was settled for a pittance, probably less than the court case would have cost facebook just in lawyer and engineering labor it would have had ro dedicate to the discovery phase.

Im sorry but reality doesnt jive with your reading of laws. Feel free to get laughed out of court attempting to prove me wrong. Its almost like you just googled ‘facial recognition lawsuits’, grabbed the first case that seemed remotely related to this fantasy in your head and ran with with it.

Until you win that magical court case that doesnt exist, stop wasting mine and everyone else’s time with your drivel.

Tl;dr wasnt for you. ;)

Hilariously idiots like yourself are never able to justify their support for genocide and are reduced to insults.

So get bent. Enjoy your fascism you’ve earned it.

Tl;dr: to all the genocidal apologists and enablers - you are the crazy fucking extremists.

That part is probably a coincidence. It was pretty clear last election democrats have entirely lost the thread to the point they’re basically just as dangerous as gwb was in the early 2000s.

A year of watching the entire party defend the actions, support a genocidal regime followed by the complete suppression of Palestinian members from the platform, suppression of student activists. Followed by completely ignoring the economic issues of the middle class was basically their version of taking the mask off and hollowed out what little remaining support they had from people like myself. Nothing made me happier than watching them lose an election the thought they could phone in because trump was running again. Not particularly happy with the result but happy they face planted.

No point in wasting time on them anymore.

This was on full display during the last election. Genocide is apparently okay now. Long as a black woman or senile old man enables it.

Clearly its not since you dont understand it. The law doesn’t prevent you from being filmed or it being stored. If it did security cameras wouldn’t exist for example. Nor does it apply to governmental agencies.

Feel free to enter any private business with security cameras and you’ll discover they have a wonderful sign on the door informing you of this fact

That is a dynamic rate by definition, not saying its perfect. But its available to any dev whos game hits those numbers.

So is valves. Shrug. Simply using the publicly available information.

Jfc dude get a clue. Security cameras are not illegal have never been for private or public spaces. And guess what? They record and store your face. Check any grocery store 7/11, etc, entrance they fucking tell you they’re recording and monitoring you via a security camera system. dropping facial rec software into the mix doesnt change this. You clowns need to stop acting like you know wtf you’re talking about.

Thought i responded to this, but oh well will do it again.

Epic, EA, Microsoft, sony, ubisoft all have a long history of poor worker conditions or anti-consumer practices.

Valve and gog have 20+ years of decent but not perfect history of worker and pro gamer practices.

The contention in this thread is from people who think valve cant be trusted because capitalism and those who say as long as they continue good behavior they’re a better choice than any of the others in the space. While epic has never shown this procommunity behavior.

Basically gog is valves only real competitor and since they dont support linux or provide many of the game featurss valve does for developers its no contest.

Gog doesnt support linux or id look at them. But they also charge 30%

1. Jfc you literally claim they do t have a db of your face and then list a bunch of government entities rhat have… A db of your face. Jfc.
2. Feel free to go to a park and take all the photos of peoples faces you want. Its not illegal.

You of course can continue to bury your head in the sand on this it wont change reality. The terms are what they are and no amount of crying by you will change this.

And some of us took these issues seriously ages ago and there are not photos of us on social media linked to our (non-existent) social media accounts.

If you wanted to take it seriously the time was a 2 decades ago.

The key factor here is that the TSA is a government agency, they are not a private entity. None of the laws apply to them w/ respect to biometrics.

Nor do they apply to private spaces you will fully enter. Trust me the lawyers took care of this in terms and conditions.

I can walk up to you in a public space and take your photo and you cant do shit about it as long as i don’t use it in specific ways. Its public data.

Public data does not mean the data can be used in any manner. It means its available to anyone in the public space.

There are literal court cases about this. Finally the government isnt a private entity, so none of your cases/law examples apply to this situation.

Look up any case about someone being pissed their photo was used for a news piece or journalism or artwork.

If you walk into a public space and that public space has cameras with facial recognition software, congratulations! Your face can and will be scanned!

And nothing about that act violates the laws you referenced for the government or any other protected use, such as say journalism.

Thats because they have a reputational problem that makes them toxic to the gamer base. If they ever get market share that split will change willy nilly.

You go write that text book. Let me know when you publish your first game, you clearly have it all figured out! You know… minus the basics.

Your problem is you’re antivalve for reasons no one really gives a shit about. Your issues with valve are not the %age it charges for sales on its steam store, but with moral positions you have personally and it colors your viewpoints.

Facts: valve has charged a 30% commission since it made steam available for other studios to use.

Fact: no one complained for literally 15 years.

Fact: complaints about the split start after two things occurred. Massive inflation cutting into margins and steam dominating the distribution of games.

You’re arguments to date have been: Gabe/valve are bad people because they’re a monopoly! Here are issues from over a decade that are no longer even relevant.

Like if you want to argue that the percentage valve takes is too high, then sure we can discuss that. And hey, you wont even hear a peep from me in that case. Because its true imo.

But the problem is GOG also takes 30%. And every other distributor has reputational issues that make them non-starters.

unless you have a valid and active issue with valves practices that are unique to valve maybe its time to take the L, fuck off on this topic, and get a clue? Because no one is defending valve because they’re valve. We’re defending them because they’re the best company in the market for consumers.

Critical thinking 101: what happened to dems power last election? Oh right. Lols.

No one asked her to denounce isreali we asked her to uphold american laws regarding weapon sales to genocidal groups. The fact isreal is such a group is their problem that only they can fix.

Look when all the air in the room is being sucked up because you’re supporting a genocide and you cant make any argument around your other (and in this instance: non-existent) beneficial policy positions. Then yes, you fucking change your position on a genocide, not that a decent candidate would have held such a policy to begin with.

Gaza literally tanked both harris and biden. Democratic voters were not quiet about their ire. Instead harris decided the path to victory was check notes parading with the daughter of a war criminal. Which Im sure went over well with a base that has traditionally been checks notes anti fucking war.

Oh you mean that the result of the parades with cheney didnt net harris any votes? Im shocked, shocked I tell you.

So you’re correct the election wasnt decided by a single issue. It was a absolute catastrophy of a series of decisions by harris, biden, and the dnc that lead to the monumental fuck up that was the 2024 campaign all predicated around the absolutely disgusting and inhuman policy of unconditionally supporting Israel.

If harris hadnt had that policy the argument against harris would have been far weaker even though she still was a shit candidate.

But you idiots tried to bury your heads in the sand and you lost as a result despite a clear and loud message from the base. You shits couldnt defend the position only try and say trump is worse.

Well news flash trump wasnt the problem, you were. The people you needed the support of were the people who would never vote for trump in a million years, the people who show up when candidates offer the working class something. The people who think you never support a genocidal regime.

And now you sit here trying to blame the people who didnt show up for your check notes genocidal party for the position you’re finding yourself in. Its fucking hilarious.

Finally: single issue voters are 100% correct when the issue is genocide. Yes, the solution was as simple a position change. You see her inability to shift her positions to match the wants of the electorate is why she lost.

If you cant shift from pro genocide to anti genocide who the fuck is going to think you’ll shift on healthcare? Economic issues? Breaking up tech monipolies? Which i repeat: harris had no positions in those categories that align with the democratic base either.

God you mfers are dense. Its bad enough you idiots ran around for a fucking year defending fucking genocide. But to think gaza was the only issue harris failed on with the democratic base is another level of stupidity. It was simply the most egregious issue.

My favorite part about all this was immediately post election you had democratic reps coming out saying fuck the transgendered population cementing their transition into the Republican party.

No the problem is you dont understand what is being said when ‘public data’ is being talked about.

Data is public if you can freely access it, which I can access information about your face simply by being in the same public area as you. Hell you fucking posted it on Facebook probably for anyone to grab from anywhere.

Your face isnt a privacy problem.

1. your face is on your license, they already have a db of our faces.
2. your name was on the ticket, they already know where you were.

If you wanted to push back on your face as private data, the time to do that was many decades ago.

But your major issue is you dont understand terms and definitions.

Incorrect, your face is public data. The consent forms for model are the use of your likeness for commercial purposes which is a very different context.

No, I’m not. you’re assuming i am. game developers dont generally have the relationships with distributors. the whole point of a publisher is to handle that relationship + the relationship with marketing avenues.

with digital distribution the role of a publisher is greatly reduced. mostly down to just marketing.

smile the whole point of publishers back in the day before the internet was distribution and marketing. no I am not mistaking one for the other.