Sorry if the premise is inflammatory, but I’ve been stymied by this for a while. How did we go from something like 1940s era collectivism or 1960s era leftism to the current bizarro political machine that seems to have hypnotized a large portion (if not majority) of the country? I get it - not everything is bad now, and not everything was good then. FDR’s internment camps, etc.

That said - our country seems to be at a low point in intellectualism and accountability. The DHHS head is an antivaxxer, the deputy chief of the DOJ is a far-right podcast nutball, etc. Their supporters seem to have no nuance to their opinion beyond “well, Trump said he’d fix the economy and I don’t like woke.”

Have people always been this unserious and unquestioning, or are we watching the public’s sanity unravel in real time? Or am I just imagining some idealistic version of the past that never existed, where politicians acted in good faith and people cared about the social order?

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    The left has undeniably alienated some of their group (my mum was alienated by trans rights, I was alienated by the DNC, Elon was allegedly alienated by Biden’s EV push ignoring Tesla), but I think the bigger problem is the left doesn’t fight for things people care about.

    The right are the only ones in the news cycle (look at how many articles we have about Trump, even when he wasn’t president) which, to anyone who doesn’t treat politics like sports teams, makes you obviously see a thing or true that you support Republicans on. This imo is the critical flaw of the left; I now have no reason to be excited about their platform, and I’m completely numb to anything they say negatively about Trump.

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      my mum was alienated by trans rights

      How in the world does us trying to exist and not be harassed alienate anyone?

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        Anecdote time: My mother’s wechat have posts claiming schools are doing sex reassignment surgeries on kids in school… (which is obviouly false, I’ve been in school in a blue city)

        Yea, facebook and whatever probably have the same shit.

        Its the propaganda machine.

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        She’s not even anti-trans, but she’s “tired of hearing about it” and all the “pandering the left does”

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          That’s like the most transphobic thing your mother can say, “I’m tired of trans people,” quit your bs, we know your conservative , there’s a reason why your mom is getting that reaction, because shes hateful

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          Your mom sounds like kind of an asshole. She was alienated from liberalism because she was tired of hearing about a minority being targeted by a fascist party for existing?

          That’s some asshole behavior.

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        Compared to outside of the US, this is true, but within the US he was pretty leftist. He publicly supported UBI, pushed for renewables, donated to the Obama and Hillary campaign, etc. Now he’s anti-trans, pro-Trump x1000, but there used to be a time he cared.

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      I now have no reason to be excited about their platform

      I’m excited about the part where they AREN’T FUCKING FASCISTS.

      I’m completely numb to anything they say negatively about Trump.

      Then Trump has beaten you through attrition, which was his goal.