Like y’all keep posting about it, praising it, giving it free advertisement, and what not.

But the dev is a fascist, the discord server is a fascist bar, and the project thus is fascist.

I’ve met people who were harassed, I browsed through now deleted messages of Vaxry using slurrs and more.

So I wonder is if the people who post constantly about it know and are complicit, or just don’t know and would act otherwise?

It gets tiring to see the project be given “fame” when I know the roots of the plants are founded in toxicity & abuse.

      • Ferk@lemmy.ml
        2·
        2 hours ago

        It’s morally wrong to promote bad things, and morally good to promote good things.

        Just because I admire the theories Isaac Newton came up with and I encourage others to learn about them does not mean I support everything Isaac Newton did, said or thought.

        All of our society is built on the shoulders of giants who did a lot of “good” despite being, in most cases, “bad people”.

        • apotheotic (she/her)@beehaw.orgEnglish
          2·
          2 hours ago

          Thats a tangibly different example though right? Isaac Newton isn’t alive to benefit from your support so the moral downside is basically gone. If a modern genius was out here breaking new ground left and right in science but he was also a raging Nazi I certainly wouldn’t be promoting him and I’d be very wary of using any of his breakthroughs

          However, let’s centre the conversation back on what it is: a flashy tiling window manager made by a bit of a knob

          • Ferk@lemmy.ml
            1·
            36 minutes ago

            So the bad thing is the off chance that he would benefit?

            Because that’s a very different thing. Then this should not be about judging morals related to the thing they made, but executing punishment for a completely separate thing they did.

            Then it’s not a disagreement of morals, it’s a disagreement on the approach you are taking to execute that punishment.

            I’d be very wary of using any of his breakthroughs

            Ah, but will you still use them? will you promote his breakthroughs if they help people? what if his scientific work leads to the cure for cancer?

            Punish the nazi political work, promote the scientific work.

      • comfy@lemmy.ml
        10·
        2 days ago

        Why is it wrong to promote the things a shitty person makes?

        It’s FOSS, so using it doesn’t give them money. On the other hand, a user might voluntarily donate if they’re unaware.

        One might claim they’re being given a platform in the community by people promoting their product, but on the other hand I hear more loudly that they’re toxic, fascist and banned from various places.

        Anything else to add?

        • apotheotic (she/her)@beehaw.orgEnglish
          10·
          1 day ago

          I don’t have a lot that I would add, but I would just assert that the “user might donate if they’re unaware” is a big enough reason on its own. Even if you promote it alongside a caveat mentioning the moral shortcomings, the people who start using it because of your promotion might also promote it, but there’s no guarantee they’ll keep the caveat (in fact I’d consider it likely that people who will use the product despite the caveat are exceptionally likely to neglect to mention anything in their promotion).

          And to your second point I’d say that its pretty indisputable that they are being given a platform, as evidenced by the platform they have. It is a platform that is, as you mention, not subscribed to by a lot of people with a moral backbone, but it is significant.

          If I had to give a one-liner for why it is bad to promote the things a shitty person makes, I’d say “its a bit of a Nazi bar thing”.

          • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
            6·
            1 day ago

            And in addition to that: It’s also kind of a big thing that they get an audience. The more people use the projects, the bigger the audience. They’ll get a Discord and people will join because of the project, people will start reading their blog because of the attention via the software… People will maintain and package their software, or use it, or contribute to it… Directly resulting in interactions with the group which develops a project. That’s a direct consequence of the project getting attention. And “promoting” is a way to draw attention.

            • Ferk@lemmy.ml
              1·
              1 hour ago

              The more people learn to drive, the bigger the chance they’ll get a private car, the more accidents, the more people will die. Thus: let’s recommend everyone to not learn to drive.

              I feel this path is sort of a baby-sitting approach to recommendations. Not only do I have to know if the software if good before recommending it, I also have to research if there’s a chance that whoever I’m recommending it to might find a community somewhere for which they might lack enough critical thinking to judge on by themselves?

              How about we recommend good software when it’s good while at the same time recommending good ideals / good thoughts when they are good?