Hiiii everybody! We need rules to keep the place from going off the rails and your mod team would like you to give them a review and let us know what you think. We’re going to implement them now as a temporary ruleset so I’ll slap them into the sidebar shortly, then make amendments based on commentary. Here’s what we’ve got:
Community Rules
- Be nice. Assume others have good intent (within reason).
- Block or ignore posts, comments, and users that irritate you in some way rather than engaging. Report if they are actually breaking community rules.
- Use content warnings and/or mark as NSFW when appropriate. Most posts with content warnings likely need to be marked NSFW.
- Most 196 posts are memes, shitposts, cute images, or even just recent things that happened, etc. There is no real theme, but try to avoid posts that are very inflammatory, offensive, very low quality, or very “off topic”.
- Avoid AI generated content.
- Avoid corpoposting.
- Avoid misinformation.
- Avoid incomprehensible posts.
- No prejudice such as transphobia, racism, ableism, etc.
- No threats or personal attacks.
- No spam.
- No tankie, nazi, or any other authoritarian behavior.
- No genocide denial.
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For what it’s worth, I’m adding my voice to the “keep the no tankies rule” pile.
People who don’t know what they’re talking about hurling it as a generalised insult at leftists doesn’t devoid it of its actual meaning, nor of the importance of explicitly keeping tankies out for the safety of the rest of the community.
People licking Xi or Kim boot deserve the exact same treatment as people licking Trump or Musk boot do.
Can we also add a no links to
twitter.com/x.comrule like other communities are starting to add? Not that many people are generally doing a lot of linking here, but still would be good to have sort of rule against itDoes that include no source links? Like when you copied some image from X (formerly known as Twitter) over here, can you still put source URL pointing to original X (formerly known as Twitter) post?
There are mirrors and such like xcancel.com where you can link without giving Musk revenue
what was the thought process that went into
no incomprehensible posts
? for example i just posted a surreal eyeball image. what content was invisioned to be prohibited with this rule and could the rule be better communicated?
Fair point. Most garbage that should be removed is covered by no ai and the vague no “off topic” rule. I think I was thinking of text posts with no context at the time, but might not be worth having that line.
I would like to voice my support for the “no authoritarian” rule. Just because liberals use the term “tankie” to wrongly describe non-auth leftists, doesnt mean the word isn’t clearly defined or that it shouldnt be used.
If you’re auth-“left” or find yourself doing apologia for the few genocides and instances of human rights voilations that the west opposes, you’re a tankie. It’s safe to say that genocide apologia and human rights violations of any kind should have no place on 196.
I like the anti-authoritarianism and no genocide denial rules, it’s just the term tankie being used specifically that feels like the biggest issue imo. It’s misused so often that it kinda ends up excluding a decent number of people. Someone doesn’t need to self-identify as a tankie to feel excluded, just getting called one enough by others for expressing anything left-wing can do it. Its not that I think any of the mods here would use it to wrongly remove stuff like a .world community might, but for people who don’t know as much about Lemmy/196 it wouldn’t be surprising for people to assume that because they get called a tankie on world that they wouldn’t be welcome here.
And definitely agreed human rights violations and genocides definitely shouldn’t be defended regardless of what country did them, but I think since we already have the no genocide denial rule those should be covered anyway.
Misogyny should be added to list of no prejudices since it was common on the previous community.
Also I’ll repeat my request for removing ‘no tankie behavior’ because ‘tankie’ has no consensus definition which makes it a divisive term. In this community I’ve seen several people describe all Marxist Leninists as ‘tankies’. I strongly dislike sectarianism and I would like ML’s to feel welcome here. Any posts that are harmful to the community should just be moderated on the basis of its harm.
Misogyny should be added to list of no prejudices since it was common on the previous community.
Might be worth adding more examples of bigotry to that rule, yes. Good shout.
Also I’ll repeat my request for removing ‘no tankie behavior’ because ‘tankie’ has no consensus definition which makes it a divisive term. In this community I’ve seen several people describe all Marxist Leninists as ‘tankies’. I strongly dislike sectarianism and I would like ML’s to feel welcome here. Any posts that are harmful to the community should just be moderated on the basis of its harm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
I am personally not in favor of removing the “no tankie” rule. Marxist leninists are by definition or at the very least in practice auth. It is true that the term has been used by libs against other socialists however, which is annoying. It’s also true that no authoritarianism would include marxist leninism, however specifically calling it out has merits as well.
I prefer the “no tankie” rule, all it means is if you identify as tankie, you are not welcome. Which filters out a lot of problematic behavior.
This.
It works as a great self sorting filter, a lot like how mentioning the patriarchy does - those who feel it personally applies to them feel attacked and get defensive, outing themselves.
I’m an an-com, and have never felt attacked or excluded by the term tankie because I’m secure in the knowledge that I don’t support authoritarianism in any form. If someone calls me one (and they have), I have a chuckle to myself at how people would rather display their own wilful ignorance than address a valid point or face an uncomfortable reality, then move on with my life. It’s pretty simple really.
I’d like to second Sop’s request to remove “no tankie” because i have seen people use it to insult any kind of person left of the united states liberal parties. Anarchist? get called a tankie, slrpnk got called “tankie”, and the list goes on
It has the same energy as “woke” it is just a pejorative used to split us
besides anything a “tankie” says that would be out of pocket would be against every other rule anyway so why not make a small gesture to include leftist trans shitposters that get called tankie on the lemmyverse no matter what their political ideology is
I prefer that we leave the “no tankie” rule intact, its sadly very important on lemmy with all these lemmygrad, hexbear etc. servers around. Mods know what tankies are, and we dont have to cater to people who dont know the definition of words we use.
“Tankie” is an important destinction because it seperates leftists from the edgy geopolitics enjoyers, and we would loose that destinction if we drop that word. Lastly, “tankie” is mostly willingly misunderstood by tankies, who want to water it down so they can infilitrate other leftist communities. Thats what happened back on reddit at least.
I think moderators of LBZ’s own Liberty Hub have been called tankies by people at .world or sh.itjust.works
So it already is a muddled definition so who is on either side of the distinction is not consistent and can be used to alienate people from this community who would like to participate. If a stalin meme gets posted remove that or whatever but i dont think the community needs to be worried about malicious infiltrators
Some people at .world dont know what they are talking about and thats ok. Lots of people there also dont know much of the queer terms we use here, and thats also ok.
If e.g. someone thinks “cisgender” is an insult, or exclusivly describes a queer person, that doesnt change the actual use, even if the mistake is common(like i have seen with “cisgender”).
So I think the definition is fine. If you can imagine the person in question defending brutal, oppressive actions of a State with a red flag, they are a tankie. And if someone self identifies as “tankie” then im not sure that id like to converse with them anyway, other then to get them to change their mind. And thats what this rule is for.
And lastly, infilitrating leftist spaces is the favorite activity of many tankies ive encountered back on reddit, many subs were “tankiefied” because of this. It does happen, sadly.
