I have 0 maths or economy skills, so I do need it explained like I’m 5. They’re in the news a lot atm but I just don’t understand them
Found Trumps Lemmy account
This is ridiculous. If I was Trump I would NEVER have admitted not understanding something and would have had 14 brags in the post.
Yep, you’re completely right Mr. Navarro
Its like the fry tax. When you go through the drive through and the fry enters the car its like goods entering the country but instead of your dad eating a fry and giving you the rest an amount of money has to be paid based on the value of the goods.
Haha I like this one
It’s a US tax on buying foreign stuff.
Problem us, in a global economy, local alternatives often don’t exist are still aren’t competitive in price.
So it’s just a giant consumer tax disguised as “being tough on foreign nations”
So people buying stuff from overseas have to pay a tax on what they buy?
The companies bringing the stuff into the US pay this. As a consumer, all you’ll see are increased prices. You’ll never see tariff details on a receipt. Unless you directly import something yourself.
The importer passes the costs on to you the consumer.
Ah of course they don’t want to pay it themselves
Tarriffs were originally intended to protect domestic industry, by making foreign products more expensive than domestic products.
The problem is almost everyting has been offshored the US, US wages are criminally low vs the cost of living, and it will take decades to ramp up manufacuring to pre 80’s capacity. We have very little 100% American domestic industry or products.
In short, people who are not already rich are going to get fucked, hard. Elctronics, clothes, appliances, tools are all about to get more expensive.
Which is the plan: bankrupt as many peasants as possible, forcing them to sell their property, so billionaires can buy it all up, for pennies on the dollar. Those not rich will be forced to rent, forever.
Welcome to Neo Feudalism.
Bingo
What do you think the real reason for the government doing that is?
Putin has been blackmailing Trump, Trump is following orders. It by far the most logical explanation, and is common knowledge in the intelligence community. He has alienated all of America’s traditional allies, halted all support of Ukraine, exempted only Russia from tariffs, removed the protections against foreign interference. Soon you will see sanctions and travel bans lifted
The billionaires want to own everything, so their social and financial circumstances cannot be challenged.
Yes, you go off behaviour not words and his behaviour shows hes pro Russia. How do the tarrifs help Russia? Does anyone know for certain what he’s blackmailing him with?
The tariffs hurt America. Some think it’ll crash our economy.
Ahhhhh so it’s sabotage to the US for Putin I understand thanks
The official excuse is to incentivize Americans to buy American made products. If you want to sell goods in America, then it should also be produced in America. Red state voters think this sounds like a good idea, because it will bring back more low skill jobs to America (red state voters generally don’t like education).
The problem is that this is very reckless, and probably won’t change anything (except making things cost way more). It completely turns the global market upside down. Other countries will answer by trading less with America.
I believe what will happen over time (if this continues) is that US is going to get economically weaker. They will rely more on export of their own goods, and to compete in the global market they must reduce their salaries. The average American will get poorer. The low skill jobs are back, but the salaries are shit.
The rich will somehow get richer as always.
That was really easy to understand thanks
A tariff is a specific tax on imported goods.
The tarrif is paid by the person or company doing the importing.
The tarrif is paid to the government of the country the goods are coming into.
So, say I am in the US, and I order $1000 worth of goods directly from a Chinese supplier. When those goods arrive in the US, I need to pay a tax (the tariff) to the US customs department in order to receive those goods. If the US has imposed a tariif of 34% on Chinese goods, I owe the US government $340 before I can receive my goods.
This is kind of a side answer, but it might be interesting.
Trump is imposing these tariffs on goods imported to the USA, and he keeps calling them reciprocal tariffs - in other words he’s only doing it because other countries are doing the same to the USA.
But this isn’t even true.
The way they have worked out which countries’ goods should have tariffs, and how much they should be, is actually based on the balance of trade between the USA and each other country. In other words the difference between how much the USA imports from a country and how much it exports to that country.
He (or rather, his goons) have looked at those numbers and applied a formula and come up with a number for what the tariffs should be for each country. So any country where they are selling more to America than they are buying from America is being “punished”.
And yet, those countries have not necessarily done anything wrong - they have made their products, and people in America have chosen to buy them. It’s not their fault that Americans like what they make, more than their own people like what America makes.
Also even countries like my own (UK) are subject to tariffs despite the fact that we actually do buy more from America than we sell to them.
It makes no sense at all, and it makes you wonder whether this notion of “punishing” countries which have supposedly done America wrong, isn’t just some bullshit he’s spreading while doing it for other reasons.
Although you probably don’t have to wonder for long. It is.
Whether that’s political gain, or undermining the world economy at Russia’s behest, or even just making a quick buck by causing the markets to crash, having previously shorted the stocks, is hard to say. But it ain’t the reason he’s saying, because reason is there none.
[The above is my understanding of the situation, but happy to be corrected as required]
Tariffs are a fee paid when goods enter the country.
When your $599 iPad is loaded off the freight ship in the harbour, the receiving company pays 34% ($203.66) to the gubment for the privilege of importing things from China.
Now Apple will have to sell that same iPad for $802.66 (plus sales tax) to cover the tariff.
In theory Apple could start producing iPads in the US instead to avoid the tariff. But US workers want a living wage, paid overtime, health care and PTO, so there’s no chance of being cost effective. Also, most materials are still imported, so they’ll have tariffs, too.
It might make sense to put tariffs on foreign cars to stimulate a domestic auto industry. It might keep a lot of workers at their job, and any dollar they earn will be taxed both as income and again when they spend it.
All-round tariffs like we saw this week just hurt most of the involved parties.
So, how does this affect the involved parties?
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Things get more expensive for US consumers. They can’t afford to buy as much stuff.
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The US gubment gets extra money.
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Other countries don’t sell as much stuff to the US.
How this affects international relations, and if countries retaliate with tariffs remain to be seen. Anywho, the US is no longer considered a reliable trading partner.
Don’t forget my favorite part: Greedflation.
Your iPad now costs $900 because they can blame the price increase on tariffs and inflation. Every other company does it so now more “inflation” and you iPad will be $1,000 next year.
You try to buy a 100% US made tablet (what tariffs are supposed to be used for) but the US company that actually manufacturer goods in the US jacks up their prices too because they can blame inflation and their completion is even more expensive now.
American consumers are about to get fleeced hard and inflation is going to explode while the wealthiest folks slurp up even more of the wealth.
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Everything that is not purely American is going to be a lot more expensive.
Even stuff that is purely American will go up.
Imagine I make shirts in the USA with no imported goods. My cost to make them is $10 and I sell them for $15. My primary competition is overseas shirt makers who have much lower costs and their final price in my market is $12, so consumers often flock to them as they are cheaper.
Well good news for me! Tarrifs have made foreign made goods more expensive for the end consumer, and now those competitors price their shirts at $20, making my shirts the cheaper option!
Except, I’m a good little capitalist, so to make as much profit as I can, I’m going to increase the cost of my shirts to $17, even though my cost to make them hasn’t changed. I’m still the cheaper option, I can play to people’s nationalism, and I’m still making more money than before!
Only the end consumer loses.
And that doesnt even factor in the fact that most made in America goods are made with materials imported from other countries. They are not going to eat that cost, they are going to pass it on to the next person until there is nobody left to pass it on to. The consumer.
But what is a tariff? What does it do?
It is an extra charge on top of products from overseas that is paid to the government.
If you were a small island and you had farmers that can’t compete with grain from other countries, you could either subsidize them or have a tariff on grain from overseas. First would lower the price of produce they would make, so they can compete, second would raise the local price of overseas product so they can compete. Both are valid strategies in niche situations.
Thanks for that… tbh I’m neurodiverse so I need it broken down a bit simpler if that’s ok?
Since the comment I replied to was deleted I willreply here.
The big thing to realize is trump and his cult seem to think the exporter (country of origin) pays the tariff to the importing country’s government. Where it actually is paid by the person who imports the item passing the tariff to their government.
If you are in the US and buy a 24% tariffed item from another country you are responsible to pay your government that 24%.
Now imagine you manufacture cars here in the states, but of you 1000 need components to build that car 825 of them are imported. You have to pay for each of those taxes tariffs, increasing the cost of something manufactured here.
Think of tariff as to mean an import tax, much like sales tax.
What does neurodiverse mean in this context
It’s the correct term for learning difficulty, eg dyslexia
Thanks!
When you import something from another country, it needs to go through things like customs, etc. You have to fill out all the paperwork about what it is and where it’s going (if you’re using/selling it in the US or just middlemanning it somewhere else).
Part of that paperwork includes tariffs, a tax on the good you are importing. So, the importer has to pay the government that money in order for the product to legally come in to the country. The importer pays that cost, so the local purchaser pays that cost, so the consumer pays that cost. And each one of those (and likely many other) steps probably will add on a little extra for the trouble.
The hope is that encourages local production; even if it costs more to produce locally, when you factor in the cost of the tariffs to import, it might make sense to invest the cost to avoid the tariffs.
The troubles are:
- you can’t often make a fully operational supply chain domestically in 4 years
- the US doesn’t have some of those raw resources, like minerals or regional food sources
- good or bad, places like China can pay professional factory workers way less than minimum US wage, which, in case this is news to anyone, is already far below a livable wage
Thank you so much for this simple breakdown! It makes sense now and im bookmarking the comment. Why do you think the government is putting these tarrifs in? The real reason, not what they’re telling people.
The cynical perspective is that it’s an attempt to consolidate wealth for the wealthy.
Basically, you drive the price up on everything and force the least able to bear the loss in revenue to give up and sell.
Elon Musk can afford to lose $11 billion, because he still has $200 billion left over and that is obviously more than anyone needs to keep afloat for a few bad years. The same goes for every billionaire and every multibillion dollar company.
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The big thing to realize is trump and his cult seem to think the exporter (country of origin) pays the tariff to the importing country’s government. Where it actually is paid by the person who imports the item passing the tariff to their government.
If you are in the US and buy a 24% tariffed item from another country you are responsible to pay your government that 24%.
Now imagine you manufacture cars here in the states, but of you 1000 need components to build that car 825 of them are imported. You have to pay for each of those taxes tariffs, increasing the cost of something manufactured here.
If US companies are making cars and selling them at 20,000 each and another country starts importing their cars for sale at 8000 a piece, the government can put a tariff on that country’s cars to bring the price equal to or more than the 20,000 the US companies sell for so the US companies don’t go out of business by being undercut. The problem is that the other country can retaliate with equal or more tariffs if we import products there.
Tariffs are designed to be used prudently and only in extreme cases which would damage the countries business by radically different pricing of similar products.
The ham fisted broad tariffs that Trump is doing don’t fit any tariff model or make any sense.
It’s an import tax on imported goods.
I’m the CEO of the Orange Company, an American company. I sell oranges for $1. It’s the winter and Florida has no oranges for me to sell. So I call up a business in South America and have them send me oranges, $1 million of oranges.
The Orange Company pays them $1 million. When the oranges arrive in the US, the US Federal government charges me a 10% tariff on my imported oranges - $100k. The Orange Company pays the US government a 10% tariff, or $100k, for importing $1 million of oranges.
I then sell my oranges to American consumers. Because my cost of goods went up, I can’t sell for $1 anymore. So I pass on the 10% increase in orange cost to my customers by selling oranges for $1.10.
That’s what a tariff is, how it works, and how it is effectively a sales tax.
A tariff is the price a foreign company has to pay to be allowed to sell their product in America. When the product normally costs $100 and the tariff is 20% then the company has to pay $20 to be allowed to sell their product. Those $20 go to the American government.
The importer pays it, not the foreign company.
Say I’m from country X and I make widgets for $10 each. The US decides to put a 25% tariff on goods from country X. That means that each time I want to sell a widget in the US, I need to pay 25% of its value as a tax. If I was only making a 25% profit on each widget, that means I’m now breaking even on each widget and not making any money. That won’t work for me, so I raise my widget prices to, say, $14. Now I have to pay 25% of that, or $3.50, as a tariff, which leaves me pocketing $10.50, which is about what I was making before. Widget manufacturers in the US don’t have to do that, so their prices stay much lower than mine, so presumably they get more sales and the US economy is strengthened.
The problem is, the US is not a manufacturing superpower anymore, and even for the things that are manufactured here, most of the raw materials come from overseas. So the only thing these tariffs are going to do is drive up the price of everything. And once those prices are up, they’re not going to come back down, even if the tariffs are removed; in my scenario above, it’s likely that when I raised my widget prices to $14, all the US widget manufacturers would just raise their prices to $13 and make a bunch of extra money.
Long story short: more money getting siphoned out of the pockets of the working class.
Tariffs are a consumption tax on foreign imports charged at the time of import. They are paid by the consumer through higher prices.
Imagine if sales tax were currently at zero percent and some guy said you know what let’s start taxing 36% on just about everything. That’s the reality we’re about to be in. That $500 Nintendo switch 2? Now it’s $680. It will be for pretty much all goods coming from foreign countries and we import A LOT of stuff.
Tariff = Tax on imported goods.
There are two main ways that tariffs are paid when they reach the destination country: 1. the importer pays (most common) or 2. the exporter pays (least common but not rare). In either case, when the importer pays (1 above), they either a) add the tax to the price for the cosumer of that product or b) they take the hit, or the exporter (2 above) a) adds it to the price of the exported product or b) takes the tariff as a loss of margin. 99% of the time, the end consumer ends up paying the extra cost, companies need to keep their margins so the end consumer prices goes up
Little late, but if you have dyslexia, this guy explains it in audio: https://youtu.be/sGuWRZE1XSc
Lot of cussing, but he’s explaining it well a minute in
Thanks that’s really helpful! For me it’s more the maths stuff of the economy
I think he does the maths pretty well
Thanks for helping me out! Your username is cool btw
Ive heard ten explanations and I have to admit I’m still not quite clear on it. Waiting for an expert willing to talk to me at my level to weigh in
If someone from somewhere else wants to sell stuff here, a tariff means the person buying that thing has to pay more. The person buying that thing is usually a company that wants to turn that stuff into other stuff like a computer for example. This raised cost is then passed on to the people that buy it.
