• ampersandrew@lemmy.worldEnglish
    73·
    4 days ago

    It’s because SteamOS identifies itself as Arch. Omitting this information is either dishonest or uninformed.

    • patatahooligan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      68·
      4 days ago

      This is very obviously false. With the default filters with all OSs shown, Arch has 0.20% marketshare and Linux has a total of 2.29%. That means Arch is about 8.73% of all Linux systems in the survey. If you select the Linux only results, then SteamOS appears as its own entry, alongside a few others like Flatpak. We can see two things here:

      • SteamOS Holo is 36.47%. This was very clearly not counted as a part of Arch Linux in the all OSs tab.
      • Under these filters, Arch is even higher at 9.7%.

      What’s impressive here is not just the confidence with which you called the article dishonest and uninformed while not spending half a minute to check your false assumption, but also how many people upvoted you. This was trivial to prove wrong and in fact people have already done that below. Why are people so eager to believe the article is wrong that they will jump to agree with a blatantly wrong comment while having no knowledge of the situation themselves?

      • ampersandrew@lemmy.worldEnglish
        56·
        4 days ago

        I’ll take the L on this one. It’s a combination of the article only using the screenshot of the first view as evidence and me late night posting on Lemmy while falling asleep via NyQuil.

      • rooster_butt@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        4 days ago

        Am I missing something or is 36.47% not greater than 9.7%? Why is SteamOS not shown as the most popular Linux distro without the Linux only filters?

        This contradicts the article claiming Arch dominates the Linux gaming scene and not SteamOS.

        • patatahooligan@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          3 days ago

          SteamOS seems to not be counted at all in the first page. Apparently, it’s not just “All OSs combined” vs “Linux only” but there are additional filters applied. Perhaps the first page is desktop-only. The article either also cares about desktop gaming specifically or is uncritically parroting the survey page. I think both Valve and the article writer should be clearer about what they’re talking about.

    • Voyajer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      79·
      4 days ago

      Steamos identifies itself as “SteamOS Holo”.

      Also, that article isn’t measuring SteamOS in the first place. When you look at the steam survey with the default filters it won’t list SteamOS. If you switch it to Linux only it will show SteamOS as 36.47% of Linux installs (0.84% of all steam installs) so it’s clearly not feeding into the Arch percentages.

    • Virkkunen@fedia.io
      20·
      4 days ago

      The only uninformed here is you, since SteamOS does not identify itself as Arch, but rather as SteamOS Holo and it does show separately from Arch on the stats.

      • Elgenzay@lemmy.mlEnglish
        6·
        4 days ago

        Because you hear “Arch” and it gives the impression that they’re being played on a Linux desktop, not a Steam Deck

        • hellofriend@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          4 days ago

          While that may be true, I still use my Steam Deck in desktop mode for a bunch of stuff besides gaming. Writing, job applications and interviews, using reddit because it’s the only device I have that isn’t detected for ban evasion, watching shows/Youtube. Maybe I’m atypical, but I don’t see why the Deck would offer a desktop mode if it wasn’t meant to be used.

  • Waffle@infosec.pubEnglish
    65·
    4 days ago

    Exciting to see endeavoros making the list. I’m one of the 0.06%! There’s dozens of us!!

      • Waffle@infosec.pubEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        Definitely about ease of use. After borking my system a few times it was just easier to go with endeavor.

    • gusgalarnyk@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      Can anyone comment on how difficult it is to get gaming working on vanilla arch vs endeavor or… Bazzite I think the other one is.

      I’m about to transition my main PC to Linux and I haven’t decided. I transitioned my laptop to vanilla arch and got everything working but it’s not a gaming laptop so that was the one thing I didn’t do. Worried it’ll be hard or impossible to get Nvidia card going and I’ll have to redo everything for one of the more prepared options.

      • TheBeesKnees@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        I’m on EndeavorOS, but I basically use Arch’s wiki for any troubleshooting/guidance. I wanted Arch with an easy installation and I got just that.

        No huge issues gaming-wise, but you do need to be comfortable referencing Arch wiki as needed regardless of your installation. My installation defaulted to the on-biard graphics processor instead of the gpu, so I had to install the proper stuff manually.

        If you need help in the future, feel free to reach out.

    • Bjornir@programming.devEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      It is really great, even with a NVIDIA. Never understood the complaints about arch, but maybe I have Endeavour to thank for that

    • gingernate@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      12·
      3 days ago

      I did not know nix users had time to game due to the hours messing around with their dot files hahaah

    • WillBalls@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      3 days ago

      There’s dozens of us!

      I’ve had to do very little tweaking overall to get most games working, with the one notable exception being dragons dogma 2. The solution was proton GE and a new .nix file with GPU tweaks and now I’m getting slightly better performance than the average windows experience.

      • shadowbroker@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        I have to admit, that I have some experience with nix on 2 servers and 1 desktop, but installing steam was just 1 line in the config and everything worked. My biggest concern were the nvidia drivers, but that worked as well. Currently playing RE4 Remake.

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      1·
      3 days ago

      Fedora was going to be my plan. Arch just freaks me out, I don’t want to do that much work. I think I know Ubuntu the best, but I haven’t heard anything good about the direction Canonical is going.

      I just want something that works good enough. I have a 3070 ti GPU.

        • LucidNightmare@lemm.eeEnglish
          6·
          4 days ago

          Hello! I’ve been using openSUSE Tumbleweed as my daily (as much as I can anyway, some things still only truly work best under Windows unfortunately) but here are some things I did to get openSUSE ready for gaming:

          1. Open up YaST. I prefer to use KRunner for most of my tasks, and to bring that up I use Windows key + Space on my setup, yours could be different if you’ve tinkered any.
          2. Go to the Software Repositories and ensure that OpenSUSE Tumbleweed Tools for Gamers repo is checked. Close out when done.
          3. Open up Software Management next. In here, search for gamescope. Tick the box to the left of the gamescope row. (I don’t have mangoHUD installed on my own, but you can search for it and install it too if you prefer. I don’t know what it does, so look it up and research it if you think you might want it!)
          4. Next, search for gamemode. Tick the box to the left of it as we did previously.
          5. Click the Installation Summary tab near the top, then click Accept near the lower right if you are satisfied with what is being installed. It never hurts to always read about whatever you are installing!
          6. Open up Discover with KRunner (or however you please) and search for Steam. On mine, there were two options. One option is the flatpak version which I didn’t like because of the way it can’t interact with the system files as easily as the one provided by openSUSE themselves. So, I installed that one, but of course you can install either one you prefer! I just wanted my folders to be more legible/easily accessible for myself.
          7. Depending on what GPU you have, you might be ready for Steam to download some games and play. If you have an nvidia GPU like me, you will probably need to make sure your drivers for it are installed correctly and updated.
          8. I recommend you play around with some of the Steam settings, but the ones I want to focus on for you here are the games that aren’t native to Linux. For example, Metaphor: ReFantazio does not support Linux out of the box. So, what I had to do was click the game in question, and then click the cog wheel to the right and usually under the banner picture for the game. Click Properties, and then click Compatibility on the left hand side of this window. Tick the box next to “force the use of a specific Steam Play compatibility tool”, and now a dropdown box will show up underneath that. Click this dropdown box and notice the options for the version of Proton you now can use. I think Experimental might work for the most part, but for Metaphor I used 9.0-4 (as of writing, and even then I still see some graphical hiccups quite constantly, but I don’t want to move over to a different Proton version because of how I have personally set my system up. It shouldn’t be as much of a headache for you.) If whatever version you choose to use doesn’t work, select another version and keep going until you find one that does work. If none work, I won’t be much help, but you can always look into trying through Lutris, as it will give you more fine grain control I believe?
          9. Test. Test. Test.
          10. Enjoy the fruits of your labor!

          Hopefully that helps out some. Generally when I run into a problem, I’ll search like so:
          how to get xxxx running on openSUSE Tumbleweed? openSUSE Tumbleweed xxxx issue

          and so on and so on.

          Good luck on your journey!

          P.S. Steam can be kinda wonky on Wayland, which I forgot to mention in the steps, but to fix the flickering issue with my setup, I went into Steam’s settings > Interface and turned off “enable GPU accelerated rendering in web views” and the flickering stopped.

          *Also, I think Wayland works better for playing newer games. I just know that on my own setup, xorg runs like garbage even on the desktop, while in Wayland, it is as buttery smooth as it can be, even better than Windows! So, look up how to change into that mode. You can log out and do it right from the login screen!

    • highball@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      3 days ago

      lol, I’m sure you could just casually walk away from them in a serpentine pattern and avoid any harm. Likely they are too busy clearing Cheeto dust from their neck beard anyways.

      • Waffle@infosec.pubEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        Hey! There’s not too much cheeto dust because I eat the cheetoes with chopsticks to keep my fingies clean and because the chopsticks are  ₊♡⊹˚₊ kawaii ₊˚⊹♡₊

  • Naz@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    3·
    3 days ago

    Holy shit there’s so many sub-distros in this thread:

    Arch

    • EndeavorOS
    • Cachy
    • Void
    • Nix
    • Manjaro

    Which one do we install for gaming, or do we wait for SteamOS on Desktop?

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      3 days ago

      Void and Nix aren’t Arch-based.

      Which one do we install for gaming

      If you have to ask, I recommend Linux Mint. It’s not Arch based, which is a good thing because it’s going to be really stable and easy for people new to Linux.

      Steam is the same regardless of distro because it ships all of its own dependencies, even for Linux games. So if a game works on Arch or SteamOS, it should work on Mint, Fedora, etc.

      If you want something that feels like SteamOS, I’ve heard good things about Bazzite, but my recommendation is still to use Linux Mint and install Steam and Heroic, and then you’ll be good to go. I personally use openSUSE Tumbleweed, but again, I recommend Linux Mint for someone new to Linux, because gaming should be nearly identical between distros and Linux Mint has a large community of people to help when you run into issues.

  • Statick@programming.devEnglish
    4·
    3 days ago

    I tried a few distros this year. Landed on vanilla arch using KDE Plasma. Love it so far. Unfortunately I do some hobbyist stuff with Fusion 360 and my friends and I started playing PUBG again so i need to boot into my windows partition for those.

  • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
    5·
    4 days ago

    Part of the Arch games, Well I don’t exactly use Arch but it’s A Arch based distro for Performance (Cachyos) and I love how they leverage cpu instructions

    • Lettuce eat lettuce@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      I’ve been on Nobara for a few years and have generally loved it. Lately I’ve been thinking about switching to Cachy.

      I’ve just been a little annoyed with Fedora in general recently, and I am nervous that Nobara is not only based on Fedora, but also is maintained by only one person.

      How has gaming been overall on CachyOS? Any issues with Steam, Proton, Lutris, or any other gaming-related software?

      • marcie (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        In my experience, Nobara requires way less fiddling and works out of the box. CachyOS was way more fiddly. I have newer hardware so things are a bit weird for me in general.

        Do wish Nobara had more maintainers. Cachyos isn’t a whole lot better in this regard either, if you wanted something for gaming that has a lot of maintainers you should probably go for Bazzite. Personally, I had issues with Bazzite as well, Nobara seems to play nicest with new hardware out of the box.

      • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        It doesn’t come with any gaming apps (but can be installed manually or use their package that installs all the essentials). they also have a proton/wine fork and has patches related to gaming no issues there, and later after some updates(idk how it gets it) you will get LFX (Latencyflex) you can enable it with LFX=1 In environment variables in games and there was no issues at all in gaming (Note you can view cachyos as more of a performance distro rather then a gaming one) .

    • BurnedDonutHole@ani.socialEnglish
      2·
      3 days ago

      I’m seriously considering installing CachyOS on my laptop. And now I’m wondering why I didn’t come around to do it yet.

  • HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    10·
    4 days ago

    I feel underrepresented as a Void user.

    Although the absurd number of hours I’ve played a certain popular gacha under Lutris might not trigger the Steam metrics, I demand credit for dumping 45 hours into a poorly translated RPG Maker looking project!

    • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.socialEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      I’ve thought about Void. And LFS. And I submitted some packages for Alpine, although I’m not running it anywhere except as container bases.

      Last time I really strayed from the Arch ranch was Artix, and that was TBH pretty painful on a day-to-day basis.

      I’d like something like Arch but with less systemd. ChimeraOS looks promising, once it stabilizes. But how’s Void treating you? How’s xbps? I’m pretty in love with pacman; rolling release is a must, but IME you really only realize how good or bad a package manager is after it’s too late, and you’ve been using it long enough to hit your first dependency hell/upgrade issue. After years of hell with RPM and deb, pacman was a godsend.

      runit isn’t my favorite initd alternative (dinit ftw, at the moment), but it beats systemd and I don’t have a huge amount of experience with it. Do you like it?

      Critical to me is being able to easily toss together package manager recipes for stuff that isn’t in the official repo; I really believe in keeping systems clean by only installing through the package manager. Pacman packages are stupid simple to write and easy to work with, and yay makes things even better. How’s xbps in this area?

      EFS boot is easy? Stuff like btrfs boot partitions and snapper support easily available? No idiocy like trying to force users onto Wayland prematurely?

      • HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        Runit works well enough for me; I’ve only added one nonstandard service (launch a custom tool to drive an external stats display) and it works fine. My ,xsession has to load some polkit and pulseaudio stuff but that could be because I’m not using a full desktop like KDE/GNOME/XFCE that do those things for you.‘’

        I don’t really try to do custom package recipes because I tend to ./configure;make;make install stuff I want at random.

        EFI boot is no problem. I think my root is btrfs, but the /boot/efi is vfat. Refind is pretty first-class, but sometimes it has stupid conditions where it tries to default to the wrong kernel version if you have multiples installed (I think it sorts by timestamps or filenames in a way that sometimes work counterintuitively; discarding old kernels largely fixes it)

        Haven’t really had too many showstopper problems with xbps. I probably sledgehammer it a bit-- occasionally when it says a repo certificate is out of date, I usually end up doing a full update rather than selectively upgrading packages.

        • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.socialEnglish
          1·
          3 days ago

          Thanks for the answers!

          I used to do side installs, usually into /opt, which worked well, except when it didn’t. Usually when other things, like Python, expected stuff to live in a certain place and not somewhere unexpected, like /opt. But then, installing stuff manually would sometimes interfere with package manager files, which always ended up taking time and being a pain. I think that’s why I like pacman so much; making packages are trivial, and then all of the file management, clean uninstalls that don’t leave artifacts behind, conflict checks (if not resolution)… all of that stuff that was at times a PITA with autoconf/make install became non-issues.

          I need to look at xpbs. I mean, I’m happy with Arch, but Void seems to be a little leaner, and Arch is fully onboard the systemd train, with Artix being am example of how hard it is to climb out of the avalanche.

    • Lettuce eat lettuce@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      3 days ago

      I’ve been enjoying void on an old Thinkpad just to mess with. How’s the gaming experience been on it? Any issues with Steam/Proton running well?

      • HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        Steam runs fine. I think I had to install some Vulkan packages manually because I was getting some hallucinogenic colours in Genshin Impact (installs fine via Lutris). I have a few minor issues with games not loving losing the mouse cursor if you move it onto another display, but I think you can tame most of them by running in Gamescope so it doesn’t realize there’s a second monitor the mouse can leave to.