It is getting absurd at this poin. Just get a laptop and call it a day
I find it absolutely hilarious that every single company has a “Steam Deck killer” yet not a single one of them have any idea what made the Steam Deck popular, all they understand is PC handheld with controller (Lenovo is starting to catch on tho).
What are they missing thst the steam deck has? Price?
The steam deck the absolute most ergonomic handheld I’ve ever tried. It’s so fucking comfortable to game on. I love how they put the joystick the same level as the buttons where my thumb moves very naturally between the two. It has amazing touchpads. Great battery and performance. It’s just an amazing device.
Price, software, hardware quality, touchpads, gyro, and a decent sized community
I mean in a lot of ways they literally can’t compete on these things. Price/quality are difficult cause valve can sell their product at a loss (cause theyll make it back on steam sales), software is weird cause who is investing a whole OS to just sell hardware (valve can cause it’s directly tied to their marketplace).
Id give you TouchPad, but I don’t know what the patents are on those, cause I’ve only seen that design on valve products.
In short, Steam Deck was made so that the people at Valve would want to use the Deck. Meanwhile most of the competition is operating on “bigger numbers mean better product”.
Not big enough. I want to carry a 55’’ “mobile” gaming device with me. Make it bigger!
Nah the steam decks are laptops but cheaper
Just get a little usbc > usbc/hdmi/usb and you can plug in a keyboard and mosue and then you have a gaming linux laptop for like $350
Show me another capable gaming laptop you can get for $350
You’re missing the actual point, at what point does it become cumbersome to hold a big ass screen in your hand that is also the controller?
The Steam Desk isn’t cumbersome tho, at least not more cumbersome than any laptop would be. I really struggle to see how any of the concerns in this thread are legit.
If there were competative gaming laptops that had the samr power as a Deck then people would be buying those instead of Steam Decks, that’s why they’re so popular.
TBH this thread sounds like a marketing campaign that idiot c-suies would assign to a troll farm instead of actually competing with their competitors.
You started your point by saying get this extra thing, to use extra things. It’s cumbersome.
It’s not a laptop, and the hardware sadly has been unreliable in my experience. It’s just a hobby piece of hardware, just less cool than the dedicated stuff like the Vita.
It’s cool that it has that flexibility, but it sadly isn’t a computer someone can regularly dedicate to unless they have all the extra time to sett it up on the go.
My Steam Deck has largely replaced my laptop, so there is some overlap, but I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. If you are carrying a keyboard & external screen to work on spreadsheets with you Steam Deck, you would be happier with a laptop.
I have a 60% Bluetooth keyboard and a relatively compact mouse that I can carry with me, but by that point a compact laptop would be more portable with a larger screen.
Using the on screen keyboard and built-in screen to edit spreadsheets would constitute a crime against humanity. Don’t do it, there’s so much more to live for.
The reason it’s replaced my laptop is that I mostly use my laptop for gaming, and the Steam Deck excels at that. Most places I would use a laptop for something else, I have ready access to surplus keyboards and mice. At my parents there is an old TV with HDMI, and I stashed a basic USB mouse and keyboard there over a decade ago. My Steam Deck and a small hub is all I need.
Because of the need of external devices, I kind of consider the Steam Deck a combination of a handheld and a really portable desktop tower.
Honestly it’d help if they switched to a touch friendly desktop interface like gnome. Yep! Its definitely a nice way to have your game on the go.
Sadly I notice that’s the 2 types of use cases. Commuter vs traveler. I take public transport often and I’d care too much about the steam deck being taken. Back when it was just me traveling to a place I’d be at for a while, like my fiancee’s it was nice.
Size means I need to be near an outlet usually, since ideally the goal is play bit more demanding games. Again, I feel it’s still too early for it to be the multitool it can be.
I really wanted to like the steam deck. I’ve had one for nearly a year now and I’ve yet to find a use for it. It’s been unplugged and probably dead on my tv stand for at least six months now.
My issue is power consumption. Where I live, I rely on solar panels and batteries, and the steam deck is less power hungry than a laptop with graphics card.
even with the tiny switch screen we played smash ult on it in kickstand mode with controllers in the break room. turns out if everyone uses dual joycon you get mad input lag before reaching max players. surprisingly playable if everyone can see.
with a bigger lug like this that would be a nicer experience with less squishing together
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Aren’t you missing the point? The portability and formfactor (controller) is what makes handheld pcs like this worthwhile. A laptop is a laptop, it’s not really made for portable play and you’d need to lug around a controller.
I stopped using Reddit because of shitposts like these and here we are again.
Subjective and your opinion, which is ok. This is not a shitpost. Don’t be bitter, take part in the discourse without being bitter, my friend.
I’m not being bitter. I just feel that the wording of the original post is pretty baity. You’re unhappy with size and weight, and that is a valid point worth discussing. But making the jump to laptops? Hyperbolic engagement bait. I don’t like it. If others do, that’s fine. But I feel this trend of engagement bait is bad for platforms in general. And I want to keep the illusion up that lemmy is better than this.
If it isn’t, then I still feel it’s worthwhile to point out that discussions can be had without the hyperbole.
My brother in Christ. You’ve literally created an issue out of nothing. out of bitterness? Bored? I don’t want to deal with you. Go away.
That sure is one way to handle criticism. I’m not going to let you push me out of a community though.
Push you out of a community? Could you be anymore dramatic lmao.
Pretty sure they just wanted you to stop replying to them or something stupid like that. All they said is “go away”
You’re a flog
Your post is also subjective and your opinion.
I never said it was set in stone.
At what point does the screen become too big and it’s cumbersome and not very mobile, requiring you to hold this large heavy thing in your hands as the big screen is also the controller?
You’re whining about needing to lug around a controller as if that is some big task that kills portability but you’re still lugging around a big ass fucking screen that you must hold the entire time to use.
You say laptops aren’t really made for portable play but that is entirely false, SO many laptops are built exclusively as portable gaming solutions (and guess what, they work!)
Also, I don’t see how this relates to Reddit at all? You left Reddit because of shitposts like this? It’s just an opinion post about 3rd party evolutions similar to the deck in a deck community… what is so awful about this? It clearly spurred multiple discussions.
You don’t have to agree with every opinion/discussion post for a community to have value.
I think I made it clear why this reminded me of bad reddit posts.
You clearly have more knowledge about portable gaming laptops than I have. So my opinion might be based in ignorance. I am hardly whining though.
I feel like having several items (laptop plus controller) to carry around is a bigger dealbreaker than having a bigger device. Though I agree that an increase in size and weight can be problematic.
I also never wanted to imply that this community has no value and I am sorry I gave that impression.
A pound heavier than a steam deck doesn’t sound like a lot, but it is in practice.
Also… Windows? Well it’s not good for handheld gaming right out of the gate.
I’m stoked about the removable controllers, though. I’m gimpy AF so even the steam deck is too heavy. I ended up with a Legion Go and love that I can use it with wireless controllers and the kickstand.
Even SD is too big for me after all. Would be nice to have a handheld with the exact power as SteamDeck, but compact
This is far too big, but still preferable over laptops if you just wanna game
This is also a killer tablet, actually
Linux tablets when?
Some people have been running linux on surface tablets I think?
Install bazzite! I have a Legion Go and I love it with Bazzite.
Does everything work on it running BazziteOS? Including hardware like TDP and wattage limit and all that? I’ve been thinking of the legion go. It looks nice
I’ll confirm what they said, everything works fine. I actually get better performance in some games versus windows.
Thank you <3
I also own a legion go and yes. Yes it does.
Nice, thank you so much for confirming. I’ll be getting one hopefully soon
Be warned that it’s big. The screen is beautiful and I really like that aspect of it, but I’m more comfortable with the ROG Ally x because of the size. That being said, I have small hands and I know others didn’t have this problem with it.
I don’t mind its size that much, I have a onexplayer 8.8" screen. It’s massive and heavy, too. I hate one thing about it, though. The placement of the right joystick. It’s very awkward and very hard to play any game that requires the joystick. I’m having to move my whole hand up and down constantly. Other than that, it’s beautiful. I love the 2560x1600 resolution. It’s stunning.
I love the joycon aspect.
I don’t think 11 inch is absurdely big. That’s the screen size of the current iPad air.
True, but iPads don’t have inbuilt controllers, and packing one would inherently make it less portable than a deck. I think if you’re making a portable gaming system, your maximum screen size is sharply constrained by the form factor of the controller around it.
This device is basically a windows tablet with detatchable controllers. This will probably me more portable than if the controllers were always connected.
The iPad probably weights less than half what this thing does, and probably takes up a lot less space.
Also it’s probably faster and almost certainly gets better battery life.
You’re probably right on the battery, as this thing has a tiny (compared to its screen and res) battery of 55wah
Such an Acer move to put a tiny battery in such a big (relatively) power hungry device. That’s what I hate the most about cheap PC manufacturers.
My next question is is this going to be built like an Acer as well?
Faster in what way?
iPads have ridiculously powerful cpus and gpus
If an iPad ran steamos and supported steam controller in some kind of wacky timeline it would clean up all the competition. This thing is like 400g for 13 inch oled m4 beast battery all day. The numbers squeezed into this thin sleek and light thing are pure insanity
Thats both true and not really relevant, considering the iPad’s game library.
Edit: It would be really interesting to see an Apple-made portable game console, featuring it’s M-Series chips.
That’s why it is so frustrating, the OS sucks for many things and is very limiting but admittedly what it can do it does solid. Gaming isn’t one of these things
iPads have been overpowered for a long time. Long before Apple Silicon came around.
If an iPad ran SteamOS, it would choke on running out of memory before Steam was done loading.
Yea? Are the graphics of the ipad that good? They have iphone level chips right (except for the pro ones, but those are like $1000+)
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They have laptop level chips right now
There is no more iPad, just pro, air, mini, and the newest air has an M2 chip, though it’s a bit handicapped with one less GPU core
That being said, no, an M2 chip on an iPad Air is nowhere near dedicated GPU hardware like on these handhelds.
https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx50&D=Apple+iPad+Air+6th+Gen+(M2)&testgroup=overall
As you said, maybe once you get into iPad Pro ranges with the M4 chip, but at that price point it’s way more.
Still very cool that it is even possible on arm chips in such slim devices. The future of handhelds might just be a lot slimmer an energy efficient if ARM really catches on.
Absolutely, I’m definitely not criticizing the devices, I have an iPad Pro and the thing is very impressive in terms of computing capability for such a thin and light device and especially considering its battery life.
My only gripe is with the restrictions on the OS. I’d love to be able to use Darwin on iPadOS the same way I do on Mac for local development tasks.
With Apple opening up restrictions so we can use things like https://apps.apple.com/us/app/utm-se-retro-pc-emulator/id1564628856 for emulating other OS’s it’s certainly a step in the right direction, but I do wish they would consider the other “pro” side of potential mobile computing users, one side is creative professionals (photo/video/audio/writing), but they don’t have that same support for the development side of the pro world.
Hell, I’d buy an 11 inch MacBook Pro or Air with an M series chip in a heartbeat, but it’d probably be easier if they just opened up the iPad to a local dev environment
if it doesn’t fit in my pocket it’s not a hand held
Tbf, the Steam Deck shows up as device type: laptop in the Steam Deck Hardware Survey.
Everyone’s hating on this but I can’t wait to get one used in 5-10 years. Looks pretty cool to me personally.
I’m always a fan of companies making something new rather than the same old same old (identical black rectangles being the classic example). Yeah a lot of them are terrible but I think they get points for trying!
