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Happened a while ago, people went mad: https://feddit.uk/post/17377857
Sure, but is that behavior you approve of?
I don’t know. For me the biggest takeaway about the vegan drama was the change in LW Terms of Service, which mean that carnivore could also not be hosted on LW, as it could be dangerous for people the same way the vegan diet it.
I feel like LW wanted to support Rooki in the decision, so they had to come up with this new rule, but they should probably have considered just removing Rooki as an admin, even temporarily, and let the rules as they are.
I just had a look at [email protected] now, it the first pinned post is about research papers showing that vegan diet is healthy for humans to comply with the rules.
I saw your post about asking to mod [email protected], are you going to lock it down and redirect to [email protected] ?
Hrmm, I’ll make a post in fedigrow to talk about my ideas on moderation, Short version here - Only negative participation is bad for lemmy.
WRT [email protected], I don’t have a plan, I saw it was unmoderated, and people had been talking about ketones 4 months ago and had a really bad experience from lemmy users when they just wanted help with their medical condition - so at the very least it needs a active moderator. I might make sense for one to be casual talk, and the other to be science/papers/etc. not sure, depends if I get granted moderator access and how it fits with their diet policy.
I’ll make a post in fedigrow to talk about my ideas on moderation
Sure, looking forward to it!
I might make sense for one to be casual talk, and the other to be science/papers/etc. not sure, depends if I get granted moderator access and how it fits with their diet policy.
Makes sense!
Yes, it should be. But I just took issue with the carnivore diet since humans need to eat veggies for the essential nutrients.
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Mods are bored, looking for extra work.
But mass downvoting is a threat actor behavior tbh
I do wonder if they do the same to people who mass up vote… Hmmm
If one user down votes alot of post I don’t think that should be immediately banworthy. If they say some mean comments then perhaps then it would be more widely accepted.
My main thing about banning on downvoting posts alone is, if more people up vote the post then it shouldn’t be a problem anyways. They want to ban any unpositive scores? They should ban based on a voting score and mean comments combined I think banning based on a downvote alone is dangerous because there is a lack of context as to why the post was downvoted.
Finally someone who gets it!
YDI.
We (Lemmy users in general) have an idiotic tendency to take matters into our own hands, instead of letting the people in charge handle it, even when the later would be better for everyone. And that’s exactly what you did.
If you believe that a community promotes harmful content, report it to the instance admins. Make sure to back up your claim with studies and the likes. Don’t simply blanket downvote everything in it, otherwise you’re creating a precedent for other people to do the same with other communities.
I mean I get it’s annoying. I also think “carnivore diet” is just a dumb grift like “raw milk” or whatever. But I don’t think you have a right to complain here. Someone created a community for people following this diet, it’s obvious they will ban anyone like you who is vocally opposed to the diet.
I did not comment on their community, I just downvoted.
This almost makes it worse tbh. You’re not even trying to interact or provide anything of value to the community, you’re just going in to downvote.
I can see this angle too though. If you are mostly just mass downvoting a bunch of posts and aren’t leaving *any comments on anyone of them. That might appear as suspicious to a moderator.
Raw milk is worse because of the bird flu risk. Some dumbass is gonna drink tainted milk, get sick, and the virus will eventually evolve to better infect humans in ways that hurt us.
A carnivore diet just harms themselves and the animals they’re eating. But raw milk has the potential to cause/accelerate another pandemic.
I’ve been a lifelong vegetarian however the vegans do have a point… what other mammal goes out of their way to drink other mammals milk?! I mean there’s some fringe cases of different species adopting each other and weaning but usually humans are involved in that.
YDI, if you believe a community or instance doesn’t have a legitimate right to exist because it’s dangerous you need to report the dangerous content instead of simply downvoting them to suppress them. Also mass downvoting whole communities or users does count as an act of vote manipulation or abuse.
So to recap, you’ve not avoided reporting content you believe to be dangerous, but also have engaged in abusive voting behaviors. Voting patterns that many instances (not just communities) would indeed ban someone for.
Draconic kind of hit the nail on the head with this one. Going into a community you don’t like and mass downvoting everything isn’t super awesome, and there’s no rule against the moderator of that community banning you for it.
This is one of those situations where the best thing for you to do is disengage
Thank you for clarifying!
lolz
Going into a club just to go around showing everyone a thumbs down is being an ass tbh. I can’t say whether there’s a rule against it, but it’s not behaviour that’s helpful for anyone.
For stuff that shows up in your All feed, you can downvote the post to keep it out of others’ feeds. If such posts appear too much you can block and move on. The mods have just done the latter for you.
YDI. report dangerous content (which i agree this is) to admins for moderation or defederation.
but blanket downvote trolling is a real issue that any community mods should be allowed to address.
People downvote the posts on [email protected] all the time.
So it’s only wrong if [email protected] does it now? But not a dangerous diet that increases the chance of heart disease, cancers and nutrient deficiencies.
!linuxsucks moderators should be allowed to act on blanket downvoting behavior if they so choose.
i don’t think i said anything about !vegan but they should be allowed to also, if they want.*
*edit: okay maybe i am remembering the situation you are talking about?
where some community was banning every user who did even one downvote, thereby exploiting lemmy’s sorting algorithm and getting all their posts to !all. that’s a different thing from dealing with blanket downvotes and fair to criticize in my opinion
As stupid as this is, it’s not up to you what is a “dangerous diet” and going to an entire community you disagree with just to downvote everything is petty and childish. Just block it instead.
YDI
Doctors have recommended against it. God the anti-vaxxers are bridgading Lemmy now.
We need to challenge dangerous misinformation on the internet and not let it spread uncontested.
If you want to downvote a whole community fine. But it’s kind of absurd to then complain about getting banned lol.
God I’m can’t believe people are defending a carnivore community, despite the fact humans need to eat vegetables.
People were attacking the user beaver for banning downvoters on https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/22273342 yet here they’re defending jet 🤦♀️ when the carnivore diet will block your arteries.
You hear that @[email protected], you can’t complain if you get banned from a community for simply downvoting.
Believe it or not, I can both think the carnivore diet is dangerous and dumb (not to mention terrible for the environment) and also think your behaviour isn’t acceptable.
This picture is probably the bloody dumbest thing that I’ve seen this whole year. (I know, “whole year” = “less than a week”, but still.)
you seem super fun, like the kind of person who likes to laugh at jokes
The also recommend against vegan diets. Does that mean we should go to vegan communities and harass them?
The difference is there are numerous studies that support the plant-based diet.
What does “support” mean? Sure, you can have a a vegan diet if you pay attention to nutrients intake and supplement accordingly. But you can have almost any diet of you do that.
Great now we have false equivalencies being made.
Yeah, that’s what I was trying to point out to you.
the anti-vaxxers are bridgading Lemmy now.
where?
There is no rule saying you can’t downvote the posts and downvoting isn’t “uncivil”
Being a cunt is though
If you act like a dick regarding others’ beliefs, they will shun you. It’s been like that since the dawn of time
Would you walk into someone’s barbecue and start your preaching like that, then act all confused when someone fuckin decks you with an entire, raw pig?
Would you walk into someone’s barbecue and start your preaching like that, then act all confused when someone fuckin decks you with an entire, raw pig?
That’s more or less what people did on vegan communities. When they got banned, there was a whole drama: https://feddit.uk/post/17377857
Two wrongs never made a right
Indeed, just evidencing the double standard
