Windows feels like a bit of a sinking ship. Not entirely, and it’s slow, but the feeling is present and consistent. I don’t want to keep having to rip apart the OS to remove shit they shoved onto my hardware without my consent. I just want an easyish experience that I can do my shit on, and they aren’t really interested in that it feels.
In comparison to that, alternatives like steam os sounds great to your average user.
Killing windows would just be a little happy accident
the only one that can windows is microsoft
The way that’s worded implies that the only way it can hurt Windows is if Windows sucks. Subtle and true. Do better Microsoft. Or don’t. We don’t care, we’re just doing our own thing.
The killing is more a side effect than the actual goal. Got it.
Well yeah… Windows users can still use Steam. They sell games. They don’t want people to switch anything; they wanna sell more games.
And they want to hedge against Windows trying to monopolise the gaming market. You know, the kind of thing government oversight used to prevent in days gone by.
tbh i have more faith in Gabe and val e than the DoJ
Honestly it’s not that Gabe or Valve is a FOSS champion, it’s just that FOSS is the only viable alternative to a potential Windows walled garden, so it’s what they used.
If SteamOS plays a significant role in killing Windows, the credit will still belong to the FOSS movement. They are the ones that laid the ground for SteamOS to stand on, and they are the ones who ensured it couldn’t be fenced in once more.
It’s about making money and buy valve ceo a new mega yacht
it’s about enabling the PC gaming ecosystem, removing barriers to people who want to create games.
The entirety of valve’s motives post HL2 has been pushing this, from the steam OS to the steam workshop and how it worked with TF2
Microsoft wants all future apps to go through their store. Basically like Apple does in Mac. I do believe this is the future for Windows apps. Once that happens, Valve running on Windows will be second fiddle. Valve’s only choice is to migrate to another OS or end up like Mozilla.
They’ll never be able to force that.
Its would instantly break compatibility with >99% of windows software.
They are trying with Windows S but i don’t think it has much of a market.
Mac user here. I never use the App Store.
I recently thought I had to use it, dug up a 15 year old account, because some hardware utility for a mobile Brother printer was only available from the store. After installing the tool it turns out it didn’t even have the function I needed (firmware update of the printer).
That was annoying. And merely having the account signed in also prevented our IT support department from copying my user folder over to the new laptop properly, so we had to do it twice.
Now I’m happily back to not having apple id signed in. (Well… as happy as I can be while still having to use macOS)
It’s not about killing Windows.
It’s about slowing making G*mers comfortable with the idea of Valve’s own closed off ecosystem.
They have already made G*mers comfortable with not owning their games, loot boxes, micro transactions.
This is just another example of Valve being the money grubbing, monopolistic, anti-consumer company that they’ve somehow got away with for years now.
I’m not sure that Valve working to making Linux gaming a smoother experience is a strong example of them being money grubbing and anti-consumer.
I won’t say I told you so when in four years Valve starts offering exclusives to those using SteamOS.
Unless some major structural changes happen at Valve (Gabe leaves and/or the company goes public), I sincerely doubt they would ever do this.
Gabe. The same Gabe that has profited off micro transactions, lootboxes, and selling unfinished games. That Gabe?
You already have to use workarounds to get non-steam games to work on SteamOS.
Let’s not forget that this started back ten years ago now with the failed Steam Machine concept.
Gabe needs to pay that fleet of Valkyries he has bought somehow.
Yep that same Gabe.
I get it, he’s a billionaire and he’s got yachts. Billionaires should not exist, I agree. That’s a different discussion.
I’m not worshiping the dude, I’m just saying that it is unlikely that he would allow something like that. It is antithetical to Valve’s ethos up to this point.
Of course, but that isn’t what they’re saying in response to the topic of the post: the question of what the point in making steamOS available for PC’s is. Is it the main reason? I’m not sure it is, but you can be sure that if it isn’t contributing to Valve’s bottom line in some way, it wouldn’t be happening.
I assume the primary reason for Valve supporting Linux is to protect themselves against possible hostility from Microsoft. So yeah, it’s a business decision to protect Valve’s profits; but frankly - it’s also beneficial to everyone who isn’t Microsoft.
Overall, I’m not a great fan of Steam. (And generally it’s me talking down Steam; recommending itch.io and GOG; and sometimes even defending Epic against what I think are unfair attacks.) But here I’m just saying that I don’t really see the negative of Valve creating Steam OS. Although I don’t intend to use Steam OS, I think I’m already benefiting from the support Valve has given Linux to create Steam OS.
“If”
For real, the “if” in that sentence could reasonably win an Olympic powerlifting competition
That’s cheeky.
its honest a boon for gamers as microsoft now actually has to spend more effort making windows betters for gamers then spending all of its effort on windows for arm and AI. one of the things windows as an OS lacks is that the handheld experience is actually trash, and the OS is a resource hog for a handheld device
They tried to make the handheld experience better in windows 8… 🤣
imo the metro take of windows 8 wasn’t the wrong approach for its intended market(tablets) it’s just forcing it on desktop/laptop users as well as a boneheaded decision.
They need to stop forcing windows changes for ALL users, including to the users that can’t use said features properly (as it was designed with touch screens in mind, and not everyone had touchscreens). Same idea with the more recent stuff involving Recall. not everyone has AI capable pcs, so its dumb to include the change to all users that will exist on the main branch of the OS, and would apply down the line to windows handhelds as well, who will likely not need recall as a feature as its using up resources. And im not like a person whose like fully Anti AI either, it just has its specific userbase that may need it, and there are others (like with a windows handheld case) that should not have it at all, as it is likely a detriment to battery if enabled by default.
Microsoft keeps doing it, and I don’t expect they’ll do anything different this time. They’ll shove handheld UI into work laptops and piss off a ton of people, and then 5 years down the line they’ll tear out a lot of work that they did and leave behind some remnant bloat
That’s what I was implying with the elipses, I just couldn’t be bothered writing all that 😅
Competition is always great. To be fair, Windows wasn’t really designed with a handheld game console in mind as its target distribution platform. SteamOS, at least its current version, was designed for that exact purpose. Would definitely welcome a more lightweight Windows to come from this though, not just for handhelds but just regular desktops too.
See that’s how you get people to like you more. Not whatever the hell social media CEOs keep doing.
They don’t care about being liked, they just want to prop up the oligarchy by controlling access to information.
That “If” is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence. Really interested to see where SteamOS goes in the future.
It’s easy to understate what an unusual project SteamOS is. It represents over a dozen years of work from some of the industry’s finest, is funded by a private company, yet is open source and free for everyone to use. “I’m pretty happy that we’ve managed to find a balance that’s beneficial to everyone, while still being able to help this PC ecosystem in this way,” says Griffais. “I’m really happy about that.”
I can’t wait to try it
