Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from [email protected] for being fake vegans.
From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.
PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don’t want to insult anyone here being a ‘bastard’. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.
PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they’re unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm
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Militant vegans always seemed cult-like to me, and nothing reinforced that idea more than seeing posts from the vegan group on here.
Didn’t take long for me to block that community.
One of the first communities I blocked.
Likewise.
PTB for sure, they’re removing comments not 100% in support of them which is iffy, but now they are trying to decide that people aren’t real vegans because they don’t agree with the mods, WTF?!?
Also is it just me or does this mod seem like they might be an Alt of Beaver (a previous mod of the Vegan community who was removed from the community for power-tripping) was known for making alts and trying to sneak herself back in as mod a few times with her alts, as well as fostering ill will towards the mod who removed her using her alt accounts. She ultimately deleted her accounts after being called out for the behavior and when these tactics weren’t working.
@[email protected] Maybe you might want to look into this, it’s very possible the person who was power-tripping before was somehow able to get back in as a mod on an alt account without you or other mods knowing it was them.
Lemmy vegans are a never ending source of entertainment, aren’t they?
Also, I had a quick look through the community, and it’s mostly one person posting, with a big chunk of their posts attracting zero comments.
Very strange.
It used to be pretty active, but everyone bailed right around when the mods started with the purity tests and thumbscrews. Like most subcultures viewed as ‘cringe’, the reputation comes from one or two users being fucking weirdos and then everyone reposting their insanity for meme points.
The vegan Community is actually quite shit. They don’t hesitate to delete your comment just because you aren’t a vegan, even if you agree with them in certain points.
There’s a word that describes communities like that, echochambers.
Love the user name. Ruminant revolution!
Its a fact. Also cows are much cooler than horses, because unlike them they are actually useful. Also I cows are very chill so you can cuddle with them a lot.
obviously the value of an organism comes from its utility to humans
Even apart from being more useful cows are still the superior animal.
okay, modulo the carnist thinking, it remains pure vachauvanism. (I hope you enjoy my punmanteu.)
can cows be ridden?
They can.
For a short time.
I (a vegan) got banned from there for finding the love of cows cloying. I said we shouldn’t have to pretend cows are cute to convince others not to kill and eat them.
It really isn’t a place for even back and forth amongst friends, “no conversation - only agreement”
cloying
adjective
excessively sweet, rich, or sentimental, especially to a disgusting or sickening degreeNeat, new word.
Actually it’s from the 14th century
New word for them
Yeah
I know
Everyone knows
Literally
Every
Single
Person
I think cows are adorable (in a positive manner :D) but yes, completely agree. Being a vegan shouldn’t require that you passionately love being in contact with all kinds of species. I mean - despite them playing a role in the ecosystem - who loves ticks or mosquitoes?
Ticks and mosquitoes aren’t vegan either, are they? That has nothing to do with liking them, it just suddenly occurred to me.
I’m not sure if there’s any species other than humans that would be considered ‘vegan’. My feeling is that it requires some kind of explicit choice to explicitly go plant-based only despite being able to digest all kind of food. An animal that’s 100% plant-based would be probably rather called herbivore than vegan. But maybe there are also some species or individuals that are exactly like that and we as humans just don’t know about it.
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I see what you did there :)
wow, the power tripping mods removed my comment… i guess they like irony
I removed your comment because it’s out of topic and it’s bringing up a completely other drama to spike controversy. I.e. you’re trolling.
you’re insane… that was completely on topic and i wasn’t “trolling”, i was discussing
and you’re completely power tripping to remove that.You were off-topic and trolling. You were not discussing, you were bellyaching and bringing up another drama-laden topic that has been discussed to death and had multiple threads about it locked in this very comm. Now stop whinging and touch grass ffs. I just removed one of your comments. didn’t even ban you.
bellyaching
i’m talking about the overarching motivation of concern trolling vs simple power tripping, because of the vegan “modding”. my “belly” is not aching and that original discussion didn’t even involve me.
i’m not trolling, i think the dragonfucker is a perfect example of concern trolling… and i suspect a similar motivation to that is what motivated the vegan mods…. it’s a entirely topical, and you’re power tripping to just unilaterally remove that with no discussion.it’s called “comparing”, and something people often do when talking about a topic
yo bpr that fool
In any case, that drama was off-topic, doesn’t seem like powertripping to remove it.
it wasn’t at all off topic, it was exactly on topic
While we’re on the topic of modding in this thread, GrammarPolice got banned, but it doesn’t look like the comment that they were banned for has been removed. Is this intentional?
If there’s a good-faith counter-aguments already on that thread and might leave the originating comment up so that their effort is not lost.
I was talking specifically about the giant ascii art with a profane curse as the only text.
But I just had a look and it seems like it was removed, but that the removal hasn’t federated to my instance properly. Dammit, I thought the recent update had fixed LW’s federation problems.
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Almost all vegans are “fake”. Start with the bees used to pollinate the food. End with a wasp dying in a fig…
It’s all definition in the end. I think that’s random and the mod is random. But idk, let them echo chamber a little.
Yeah. The plant lifecycle depends on animals, and the animal life cycle depends on plants. You can’t divorce one from the other and have a sustainable ecosystem.
Lol, I got my vegan card revoked (declared “a carnist”) and handed my first fedi ban by the “Real Vegans™” too, for daring to call out their bullshit and ableist militant gatekeeping.
Good luck to them and the toxic cesspit they’re so adamant on maintaining, the last thing anyone should be seeking is these people’s approval, especially not on being a “good” or “real” vegan, since they make it crystal clear that their top priority is and always will be their own egos. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah the vegan communities are so toxic that it has turned me off of pursuing an interest into their lifestyle. I want to try out a Buddhist approach to veganism and ignore whatever the hell they’re trying to achieve.
I’m so sorry! I’ve had that happen to me as well. It’s not only toxic but just makes me feel bad
It looks to me the mods there are fake vegans, trying to make as much damage to the cause as possible.
I can’t read that but yeah the Vegan community here has a long history of being total assholes.
unrelated to the drama:
who are these ‘screenshots’ for? because they’re so small and compressed I cannot read the text… are these automated or?
They’re not. That’s your instance showing you the thumbnail instead of the real image, for some reason. Contact your admins to see if they can fix the problem, and in the meantime view the image from another instance.
fascinating, I use lemmy.world, appreciate the feedback
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Resolution is fine your peoples
clientinstance is just trashNot the client’s fault. The instance’s.
Cheers
Use some punctuation. I don’t know what you’re trying to say.
You’re still missing punctuation.
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Your resolution is weak.
Another day, another
dietvegan/carnivore dramaThat looked like vegan/vegan drama
I didn’t see any anti-vegan comment
A few days ago there was a carnivore drama in this community
Indeed. This is not like that.
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That was about a diet community banning users who were blanket down voting
This is a diet community banning users who were participating in relevant conversation about the subject because they weren’t sufficiently spiteful
Veganism isn’t a diet, it is a social justice movement for animal rights.
Not really. It is a diet and a lifestyle based on abstaining from animal products.
It can be. I know a lot of the loudest vegans insist this is the only acceptable definition. But that’s not how language works. A vegan is someone who abstains from all animal food products, and usually all/most other animal products. Their reason for doing so is not an essential part of the definition.
You are simply not correct and there isn’t much more to discuss. There is an actual agreed on definition of veganism by vegans, created by the vegan society who created veganism and coined the term vegan to describe themselves. They created the word vegan for this specific reason, it didn’t exist before and you can’t redefine it because you don’t like it. The reason for doing so is absolutely an essential part of the definition. If they are not doing it for this reason then they are plant based and not vegan.
“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.”
There is an actual agreed on definition of veganism by vegans, created by the vegan society who created veganism and coined the term vegan to describe themselves
Sorry, but that is just not how language works. One group does not get to define a term and insist everyone else uses it in the precise way they do. Words’ meanings are defined by how they are used. And the term vegan is used in the way I described all the time.
A word’s meaning can also change over time. Even if you were correct that the term was coined to be an ethical standpoint, that would not preclude it later evolving to have the broader meaning it does in today’s society. That would be the etymological fallacy. But in fact you are not correct about that either. The term was coined by Donald Watson and Dorothy Morgan, because they wanted a more concise term for non-dairy vegetarians. The first time the term had caught on in the wider public enough to make it into a dictionary, the agreed meaning of vegan was “a vegetarian who eats no butter, eggs, cheese, or milk”. You can thus talk about ethical veganism (which seems to be the only subtype of veganism your definition would accept), environmental veganism, or dietary veganism.
blah blah blah, I am dumber for having heard from you
Hey look it’s the problem
Whoof, the projection is strong with this one lol.
Dude, we really don’t care. Could you please go back to [email protected] and yell at clouds there instead?
I made exactly the same point to the university when I wanted to open a quantum research lab studying really big distances (see quantum leap) but they said it would be confusing and stupid to accept ignorant people’s definition of technical terms.
If you don’t know the difference between a scientific term in scientific research and a casual term used informally, I don’t know how to help you. But I suspect in this case, rather than ignorant, you are acting in bad faith.
But anyway, I don’t view the casual meaning of quantum leap as being that different from its scientific meaning anyway. Quantum leap in physics doesn’t mean “really small leap”, it means a leap that is very sudden and does not pass through any point in between. It seems quite reasonable, by analogy, to use it to refer to any paradigm shift.
This is the kind of nonsense we have to deal with.
Not quite sure what you mean, sorry.
Carnists having a good ol’ game of “muddy the waters, then play coy”.
Oh, my comment was the alleged nonsense? In that case I disagree strenuously. The nonsense is one quite extremist vegan using their powers to silence other vegans from having respectful conversation.
Promoting animal products isn’t abstaining from animal products.
“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.”
all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food
Being against the exploitation of animals is the main thing that sets vegans apart from the plant-based folks.
Veganism is abstaining from animal products. The reason is immaterial. Repeatedly asserting the contrary doesn’t change that fact.
So you’re just going to ignore a part of the definition because it doesn’t suit your argument.
I’ve explained the definition here already. The definition given by one vegan organisation is not authoritative. Because definitions are defined by how words are used, not by how individual organisations say they should be used. I’m not going to keep repeating myself on this point. Catch up on the thread next time before responding.
The British vegan society was founded by the man Donald Watson as he coined the vegan word with his friends. Its not just “one vegan organization”
You’re not vegan so you do not get to speak so authoritatively on the topic.
It’s both!
No,since veganism impacts way more than diet. Diet is only one part of it.
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fyi the normal diet people eat is omnivorous, not carnivorous.
