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    Steve jobs ain’t a genius. He was just a good salesman.

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      The sales people almost always end up doing well in companies. And then when they get high up in the company they only value others ability to make sales and work for bonuses. As time goes on a company’s e-suite gets more and more saturated with charismatic dummies who will do anything for a buck, leaving less room for good administrators and engineers.

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        Small thing, but I’ve never heard it called an e-suite, only c-suite. I assume the “e” stands for executive vs the “c” being chief.

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    Jobs paved the way for Musk. I hate that he’s so often cited as a genius to look up to in the tech world

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      The behind the bastards episodes on Jobs was really eye-opening to just how awful of a leader he was

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        I find it really amusing to know Bill Gates ones made fun of him:

        “Steve’s achievements are all the more impressive when you know that he couldn’t look at a piece of code and know what it was.”

        However he also said:

        “Clearly, he had so many skills that I didn’t, but we were both a little bit pied pipers in terms of getting people to work ridiculous hours.”

        Which really should tell you everything you need to know given who made the money and how many people were made to work “ridiculous hours”.

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    Back on the old site on one of those text based subreddits there was a question posted:

    Would you rather have free WiFi wherever you go, or any apple product you wish at any time.

    My (then unrotted) brain was like: mmh WiFi everywhere is good, but apple cake, apple pie, apple sauce, apple spritz, apple cider, apple strudel, dried apples… Yeah I’m going with apple products

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    Also bought his way up the organ donor list even after he took so long ignoring it, passing over a bunch of people who should have had claim to it and some who died instead, all just so he could die anyway because he took too long to get treatment. Failed so hard multiple people died.

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      Source on this? I read that Tim Apple offered a donation and Steve refused. I have not read that he had the surgery.

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        He did get a transplant, in TN. Not in CA where he lived. He used his wealth to add himself to a areas with more donors and fewer on the wait list because he could hop on a jet unlike normal plebians.

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        You can literally just look on Wikipedia. Tim cook offered part of his, jobs said “nah I want a whole one from some poor person” and the rest is history.

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    Being rich makes you so divorced from consequences that you start to believe that what is in your brain is what is real. Money isn’t what we think it is.

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      Money is like radioactive material. Having a little bit in your house probably is fine but having a mountain of it will make you hole up in a Las Vegas hotel with tissue boxes for shoes

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      These words resonate so hard with me that my head is ringing like a bell right now. “Money isn’t what we think it is.” ^5, you.

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        Toes untouch the overpass soon he’s water-bound. Eyes locked shut but peek to see the view from halfway down.

        A little wind, a summer sun a river rich and regal. A flood of fond endorphins brings a calm that knows no equal.

        You’re flying now, you see things much more clear than from the ground. It’s all okay, or it would be were you not now halfway down.

        Thrash to break from gravity what now could slow the drop? All I’d give for toes to touch the safety back at top.

        But this is it, the deed is done silence drowns the sound. Before I leaped I should’ve seen the view from halfway down.

        I really should’ve thought about the view from halfway down. I wish I could’ve known about the view from halfway down—

        – “The view from halfway down” by Alison Tafel (excerpted)

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      I highly doubt the consequences of Dennis Richie not existing. Yes, his work was foundational, but he didn’t do it on his own, and if he wasn’t around, someone else would’ve filled in.

      The same is true for Steve Jobs. In fact, most of his contribution was being a jerk to people so his ideas won. He had a clear vision, but his internal implementation was… iffy.

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      My crusading teenage ass posted this in 2011 on social media. Nobody cared lol

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        Fact of the matter is way more people know who Steve Jobs is compared to Dennis Ritchie, so it’s no wonder his death garnered way more attention too. But the sentiment still stands IMO

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    Only fanboys. The same kind that worship Musk or any other fellated-by-the-press CEO as some kind of hero. They softball any criticisms and turn them into positives - “He murdered a bunch of kids, but the creativity he got from the blood splatter and time spent in court-ordered community service got us this addictive device we’re all fawning over…let’s justify the ridiculous price and wait in line for one!” Something about objectively shitty people heading up organizations seems to attract sycophants and bootlickers.

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      Only fanboys.

      Oh I wish. It’s more like 2/3 of American society, and I’m sure plenty of others around the world. But if you wanted to cast a wide net and call them fanboys of the rich, I guess that’s fair.

      If you are worth billions, and even moreso if you are a business leader and therefore “earned” those billions, then “worship” is the right word. They are not just good people, but the greatest among us who should be put in charge of everything. (Enter our new emperor)

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    I mean, fucking up is a common thing people do and is an integral part of the human condition. What should be emphasized about Jobs case is that he fucked up his own liver, learned the cause and treatments, used his wealth to cut in the waiting line to get a liver transplant, and then fucked his second liver just the same way. This is the definition of terminally stupid, and no UX focus will ever change that.

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      I remember reading a story a while back about the documentary they were making on him. He had his special diet of juices and supplements and whatnot, which he claimed helped him while his liver was failing. The actor who portrayed him started following the same diet to better get in character. Only then he collapsed on set with liver problems. They did a full medical work up and basically told him whatever you’re doing stop doing it because it’s killing you. He went back to his normal diet and he was fine. Raising the serious question, did Steve Jobs outsmart himself to death? If he had given up all the diets and supplements and whatnot might he have lived?

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        If “outsmart” is ignore people who know things because you believe you know everything…yes

        A better description would be that he treated his body the way he treated his employees. Or he let himself believe his own reality distortion field. “Outsmart” is not the word I’d choose for a narcissistic asshole who thinks he knows better but in fact does not.

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        If he had pursued modern medical treatments rather than a sugar filled diet he might have lived. He would have to have stepped down though and he did not want to do that.

        He would also have to admit he was completely wrong about his diet and that he absolutely did not want to do as it was tied to some dumbass “philosophy” he followed.

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          Iirc, what we normally call “sugar” is sucrose, made up of glucose and fructose. Glucose is used all over the place and too much is definitely bad (ask diabetics), while fructose is processed in your liver. Like a poison.

          Just trying to remember that from stuff I’ve seen from Robert Lustig MD. There’s a very old “sugar: the bitter truth” lecture of his on YouTube, plus lots of media since then.

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            Glucose is only bad in the same way oxygen is bad. I think you need to rewatch your lecture.

            Diabetics don’t have a problem with too much glucose they have an issue with too little insulin or insulin resistance

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                Kind of? Getting fat and eating too much regularly are great ways to get diabetes, and sugar is a great way to get fat.

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                  Sugar is also acidic. Not enough to kill you, but that’s why ketoacidosis kills people. It also increases blood viscosity, making it pump harder and causing hypertension. Plus, it causes chronic inflammation, which calcifies triglycerides in your blood to form clots.

                  Sugar has tons of negative effects.

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      Forgot about that. I too am deeply irresponsible with my liver, but I would never ask for a second one. That’s an entire human organ!

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    It’s unfortunate because his leadership / sense of taste is what made Apple a powerhouse. Under Tim Apple, the software has languished. They’re great at hardware and the software is far from great. What a shame.

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      “leadership” by which you mean being abusive to his colleagues and refusing to take a shower.

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        He was a dick, but he had a good mind for products. He wasn’t infallible, but he had a sense of taste that was useful in driving others who had greater skills than he.

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        Fact check: he did shower. It’s just his definition of a shower was plunging his feed in the company toilets.

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      Eh, I feel like Jobs was in charge when he could create new products.

      Outside of a different Apple Watch launch, I don’t see Jobs really having the ability to create new innovative products.

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        Yeah computers were doubling in speed every 18 months back then. And there were competing products oftentimes years before Apple put out their version. Apple primarily put a lot of polish onto the technological innovations that were happening at the time.

        Don’t get me wrong polish is really important. Apple didn’t invent the MP3 player or the smartphone. But the MP3 players before the iPod were really fiddley and janky. BlackBerries had a downright primitive look and feel next to an iPhone.

        Also marketing… a lot of people didn’t know MP3 players existed until they saw advertisements for the iPod.

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        He didn’t create new products. He conducted the people who were creating new products and steered them. He wasn’t a genius. He was good at guiding people who were.

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          I’m not saying Jobs was a genius, but he was skilled at leading product design teams that turned cutting edge hardware to practical applications that the market could understand.

          And, in general, the market over the past few years has seen little hardware innovation.

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            What? Microsoft is putting an AI key on every keyboard! Now there’s two keys to replace if you don’t run windows. If that’s not innovation, I don’t know what is.