I’m not American and don’t get to vote in US Presidential elections.

On the other hand I easily find the detachment to analyze US Politics because I have no emotional stake on that race.

Frankly, you guys are fucked no mater what you do because the voting system in the US is undemocratic, but at least have the decency of not being willful bitches to one set of Fascist-supporting assholes with the lame excuse that doing otherwise would be being a bitch to a different set of Fascist assholes.

As I see it, in the absence of any choice who was not as Fascist-lover, the vote in these last US Elections wasn’t about choosing somebody who is not a Fascist, it was about sending a message to the party which can move away from Fascism more easily to do so for the next elections.

In that sense, all the useful idiots here now trying to dilute that message by blaming lefties for the outcome of that vote, rather than the DNC, are just making sure the DNC doesn’t move away from it’s current trend of “ever more love for violent Fascists”, hence keep on offering a smooth-talking-Fascism-lover candidate to face the opposition’s loudmouth-Fascist one and hence things keep on getting worse in the US because both “options” keep getting worse.

It’s funny all the criticism I see here of Republican voters for being stupid all the while many if not most of members of the Democrat tribe doing and upvoting those very memes repeatedly display the strategical-thinking ability of a goldfish.

Genocide

Genocide

“because I say so and I am the moral authority”

Are we disagreeing on whether or not a genocide is taking place in Palestine?

Zionists are ethno-Fascists like the Nazis, who are the most violent kind of Fascist around.

Congrats for totally and very purposefully missing the point and learning no lessons at all.

Yeah, there is profound love of Fascism on both sides of the aisle in the US at the moment.

Which is why, IMHO (and FYI, I’m not American hence have no emotional stake on it) the only option for American voters who don’t want Fascist-lovers running their country to make things better (rather than merely slow the worsening of things) was to send a message to the leadership of the party that can more easily move away from the whole Fascism-loving business, so that in the next elections they field a candidate which is not a Fascist lover.

The US is so ridiculous undemocratic that the only possible way to chose improvement with one’s vote is for traditional Democrat voters to refuse to vote so that the Fascist-loving Democrat candidate barely wins or even loses - which means enduring 4 years of Trump - to try and scare the DNC to field a less Fascist candidate next time around. All this is a stupidly long shot because there are so many ways the DNC can react to it that don’t really move the party leftwards.

That’s it. That’s the only way one’s presidential vote in the US can be used to improve things. A ridiculous long shot with 4 years of pain until things might get better. The useful idiots getting the DNC of the hook for its electoral defeat by blaming “lefties” sure aren’t helping the DNC get the message from the electorate and fielding a candidate who is not a Fascist-lover.

By the way, all this is entirely consistent with the view that Democrats are closer to not being Fascists than Republicans are. I’m not at all disputing that Trump is worse, I’m saying that if the Democrats aren’t turned around from the current trend in the “evolution” of their politics, it’s pretty much guaranteed that there will be US Presidents in the future who are even worse than Trump and hence that it is logic (though risky) to use one’s vote now to punish the Democrat leadership in order to change the type of candidate they field in future elections.

PS: I dispute that Israel has only sped up their genocide after Trump won the election - it seems to me the speeding up predates that, having happened still well in the period of the Biden Presidency and before the next president was known. It’s hard to pinpoint it, but might even have happened when Kamala Harris made clear her unwavering support for Israel, hence the Zionists knew that no matter who ended up as POTOS they were unwaveringly suppported by future POTOS. Then again, maybe it happened when enough hospitals were destroyed by Israel that the dead in Gaza stopped getting counted properly hence the numbers published in the International Press stopped going up significantly. That said, all that is irrelevant for the point I’m making as I accept that Republicans are slightly more Fascist-loving than Democrats.

And? Do you think Joe Biden and Anthony Blinken saved even one drop of blood by giving Nettanyahu very stern disapproving looks as they handed him more and more bombs? If Biden tacitly approved of the genocide in Gaza, do you think there’d be a meaningful distinction between what things look like now?

I disagree that it’s on them. This and '16 should have been easy elections. Instead of running their best and brightest against a man they’ve framed as an existential threat to the state, they decided it was a good opportunity to push (and don’t you fucking tell me they don’t have a thumb on the scales in the primaries) the most unelectable candidates in living memory. I think Kamala could have won, but as I recall it, a lot of the excitement around her began to fizzle out around the time it became clear that she endorsed such exciting policies as addressing climate change with more fracking, shrugging helplessly as we hand Nettanyahu more bombs, making some minor adjustments to healthcare, and offering some tax rebates to people who want to start businesses.

People are fucking drowning. They know shit’s broke and we’re in desperate need of change. The democrats misread the room and decided both in '16 and '24 that not really trying to do anything meaningful was fine, since what are voters going to do, vote for that guy? And now they’ve got the gall to blame the voters, which I guess just means that in 2027, we’re going to have cyberTrump vs Hillary Clinton (it’s really her turn this time you guys). When you start blaming and finger wagging the voters, that’s always a recipe for success. It’s cool, learn nothing, change nothing, just shuffle a little more to the right, tell us with words and not actions that cyberTrump is an existential threat, and everything will definitely work out this time.

We’ll have a Theilocracy then.

ipso facto vis-a-vis

shut the fuck up

Thanks, that was the spirit in which the reply was intended. He asked, I answered. Grammar is a motherfucker.

I’m not advocating for radicalization. I’m saying they are predictable consequences.

In my original comment, I specify. He’s bonkers is referring to Trump, the actor of those referred to actions.

In your reply, you state ‘YOU’, as if the people against this / and? the people pushing it are responsible for that radicalization, and I take no responsibility for that shitstain’s actions against our allies.

You could have easily been more clear by stating ‘conservatives’ or Trump supporters or - if you meant a blanket indictment - you idiots who didn’t punish the insurrection / pay taxes to a corrupt system of governing etc., hence my dismissal of your reply.

Vague aspersions cast without insight generally get that response.

You are both right. Trump is the distraction and incapable of working on an agenda. He needs the people in the background. But he is capable of understanding what he is doing. And he likes it.

He doesn’t need to know, he just has to be useful to those who do know.

I was born and raised in Cascadia and I have never once heard of it being some white racist ethnostate it’s more of a bioregion/cool people thing…I googled it and it looks like some folk in the 1840s wanted to do that but comparing us with them is ridiculous on your part to tell ya the truth.

No, the geographic region you fucking mouth breather.